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Topic: Calzaghe's next opponent?
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twosh
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twosh (5 Posts) on Sat 26-Apr-2008:

Just wondered what peoples thoughts are on Joe's next opponent.Should he have a big money millenium stadium farewell against Jones? or what about a Title fight at light heavy,i think Joe could beat Tarver and Dawson.Or what about the fight everyone wants to see Pavlik v Calzaghe at super middle.Joe has nothing to prove to most,but there are still lots of sceptics (not me i'm a believer) Your thoughts please gentlemen.


Gremlin
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Gremlin (11 Posts) on Sat 26-Apr-2008:

If he is going to have one last fight, it should be against Jones, but if he wants to become a real legend I would go for Pavlik and Tarver!


MaximilianoHe
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MaximilianoHe (17 Posts) on Tue 29-Apr-2008:

I think a fight vs. Roj Jones would be highly disappointing.
I would rather love to see Calzaghe vs. Pavlik and vs. Dawson (or Tarver if Tarver will beat Dawson).
Also I would liek to see Joe going up to cruiseweight and fight David Haye.
A victory vs. Roy Jones would be unmeaningful.
Calzaghe is a great amazing fighter, but we have to consider that:

In his long carrer he has fought aginst a lots of bad and in few cases, average and mediocre fighters almost always in Cardiff.

-The best fighter I fought in Cardiff was Kessler, who is a good fighter,but million miles far to be a great.

-At the age of 36 he finally went to USA and beat with a split decision a great legend ,but already 43 YERAS OLD Hopkins.

So what do you think guys ?
Which kinda of curriculum Joe will show to prove he has been the best european fighter ever ?
I am afraid he hasn t a great curriculum to show amongst his 45 fights.

So, I suggest 2 or 3 more fights: 1-Pavlik, 2-winner between Dawson and Tarver 3-Haye.
If he wins these 3 fights he will be the N.1 ever in Europe, if he just fights another over40s (already beaten by tarver and Johnson) he will not : sorry for Joe who I respect so much.


boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Tue 29-Apr-2008:

                                                        i think tarver would be an exciting knockout victory for joe, jones would be more cagey, and more boring.funny for all that smack about white boys, hopkins was sure wary to just fight him.I think tarver would be more willing


TheBigBoom
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TheBigBoom (3 Posts) on Wed 30-Apr-2008:

Firstly Haye V Calzaghe will NEVER happen. Haye is moving up to heavyweight and Joe would not even contemplate moving up to cruiser, plus in this severely hypothetical situation Calzaghe would get destroyed.

I think Joe will/should avoid the hungry and dangerous Pavlik and instead have one last big US fight against Tarver for the IBF belt then a big Cardiff homecoming against Roy Jones to nicely finish off his career.


boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Wed 30-Apr-2008:

I think max is right about haye as a potential opponent( not goin to happen, for joes sake)but i still think his greatnessor legacy should at least be as high as b-hop*(a blownup trinidad was his claim to greatness, i always thought his fights were sloppy,boring and foulfilled otherwise, he just complained and talked smack all the time


MaximilianoHe
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MaximilianoHe (17 Posts) on Thu 1-May-2008:

Ok TheBigBoom, let s put Haye aside.
So you are telling Calzaghe should AVOID middleweight Pavlik ?!
Great !
And do you pretend Calzaghe will be regarded one of the greatest legends in boxing if he ducks a middleweight and fight another over40s (Jones) in Cardiff and another almost 40 (Tarver).
Well, ...I am afraid and I confirm at the end of his career his curriculum will be very poor compared to curricula like true pound for pound legends like Leonard for instance.

I was a small child but I am still in my mind Leonard coming back to boxing after 5 YEARS INACTIVE and fight who was regarded almost unbetable at those times Marvin Hagler 2 categories above his natural weight.
Than, not enough he KNOCKED OUT supermiddle (light heavy at that time) canadian champ .
He was not afraid to jump 4 or 5 class divisions even after 5 years of inactivity and we pretend to regard Calzaghe at the same level if he ducks a lighter guy like Pavlik ?

Sorry for great Joe, but he would be a million miles away from legends like Leonard.


boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Thu 1-May-2008:

Pavlik  deserves an easy fight,he has hadto
take a hard road to get a belt,harder than most.
thats why he may not be joes next opponent.
haye is bigpuncher,but calgaghe can expose big guys like him,providing he fights true to style.
jones or tarver are more likely, maybe glenn johnson?


TheBigBoom
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TheBigBoom (3 Posts) on Mon 5-May-2008:

MaximilianoHe

 

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see a Pavlik Calzaghe clash but I just don’t think Joe will take it. Call it protecting his ‘legacy’ or protecting his O’s but Pavlik would provide real problems for him and at this stage of his career Joe would want to finish on a high note with his record intact. Yes he should beat the obviously past his best Jones Jnr and whilst Tarver might prove more of a fight, I think he would see away him as well, given Tarver’s lack of fitness and nous.

 I don’t believe that Calzaghe will be rated as one of the greatest legends in boxing at all, though he is subject (unfairly I might add) to a lot of criticism about lack of great opponents but to be fair in a division (super-middle) lacking any real class, I feel this criticism is somewhat unfair.  

Oh and aside from this I think Froch is severely misguided in his calls for Calzaghe, it will be interesting this weekend to see if he has improved from the sloppy and lacklustre style he has fought with his last few fights.


TheBigBoom
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TheBigBoom (3 Posts) on Mon 5-May-2008:

apologies for the font!!

boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Tue 6-May-2008:

agree, its hard to be a legend in such a talent poor weight class.may not be his fault as he has fought whoever in front of him. he suffers  same fate as rocky marciano, great but how great? sorry about grammar, cut right hand,typing 1 handed


MaximilianoHe
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MaximilianoHe (17 Posts) on Fri 9-May-2008:

The problem is Calzaghe has no legacy to defend, his 0 in the defeat column means nothing if he has fought only one great fighter in his career (already 43 years old by split decision).
Anybody could finish his cereer unbeaten, even a mediocre fighter like Sven Otke (he is coming back coz he got broken after his divorce). Come on,man!
The most important thing is the quality of the opponents, not the quantity.
If Calzaghe ducks Pavlik or Dawson he will remembered always as the fighter who beat 34 chickens, 1 good but not gret fighter (Kssler) and 1 43 years old great.
I am afraid this is not a good curriculum.

It is really up to him, he wants save fights to finish his career with 0 losses or he wants to prove he has fought very tough opponents ?


MaximilianoHe
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MaximilianoHe (17 Posts) on Fri 9-May-2008:

Sorry I meant 44 chickens not 34.
It is true in the past 10 years there was nobody good in the supermiddle weight, fine, that s not Calzaghe fault if he has had no opponenents, but in this case he should have moved to USA 5 years ago and fight 5 years at high level in the lightheavy weight.
He waited until to be 36 to face a 43 years old...
too little too late...


mancmarvel
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mancmarvel (1 Posts) on Fri 9-May-2008:

MaximilianoHe... I'm keen to know who exactly in modern day terms you regard as a great, or at the least very good fighter?

Agreed Calzaghe didn't look great in beating Hopkins who as you say is 43; but what you fail to mention is that Hopkins stinks the joint out against everyone (these days) and is so negative its untrue.  Yes he's great at what he does - cheat, foul, fein injury, look for anything to gain an advantage.  However I think you severly underestimate Kessler.  I think Calzaghe who is past his peak, but beat in Kessler someone who will prove to be a very good fighter eventually.

Calzaghe may have missed out on fights against a lot of top fighters at their peak, but by all accounts that isnt entirely his fault as Hopkins & previously Jones were both seeking stupid money when they were never as popular in the publics eye as in their own ego!!! 

Calzaghe is unbeaten in 44 fights, has been world champion for over 10 years, won 3 ABA amateur titles in 3 different weights... how many top fighters in recent years have had as distinguished amateur careers + been world champions for as long as him and remainded unbeaten?  I can't think of many.

Its a shame that he has only had some of his bigger fights late on in his career; Lacy, Kessler, and Hopkins as he has beaten all of these when past his peak.

As for the Haye comment; come on now Haye is a huge Cruiserweight who is heavyweight bound!  I'd love to see him fight Pavlick, as for me he schools him.  Too fast, too busy, wouldn't underestimate his power (like he did with Hopkins early on).  Bar the fact his hands pack in every fight he stops Pavlick for me.

Who do you rate???


boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Fri 9-May-2008:

i think the kessler fight showed more of calzaghe's mettle than any other .Hopkins refusal to just fight ruined that chance and lacy was a lil overhyped, i think kessler would put a good drubbing on lacy himself, he will improve on his loss to calzaghe


welshfan
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welshfan (1 Posts) on Thu 15-May-2008:

Calzaghe is one the best fighters of the last 20 yrs and probably the best fighter ever to come out of Britain. Sure, the Roy Jones and Hopkins fights should have happened yrs ago but neither Hopkins or Jones were eager to meet Calzaghe when they were in their prime. Now they are both past it they want the fight, strange. Hopkins ran and held throughout an ugly fight with Calzaghe. He lost fair and square, blaming the judging is crap. If Calzaghe was American he would be hailed as a legend of the boxing ring, an all time great. Both Jones and Hopkins were essentially safety first, cautious fighters. Calzaghe is a guy who is willing to take risks. He has been good for boxing.


Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Thu 15-May-2008:

I'm a big Calzache fan, however I cant see Joe stopping any future opponent (Roy Jones, Hopkins, Tarver, Dawson or Pavlik). He just doesnt seem to have any punching power at all at the top level and I personally see this being a major factor in his next few fights. Ok he can outwork these guys, but thats just about it. Roy has been knocked out yea sure... But he got knocked out by big punchers.... And dont be telling me Glen Johnson cant hit, because I tell u what some of the shots he was hitting Dawson with was shaking that kid in his boots..... As for calzache knocking Tarver out.... Please.... I'm starting to wonder if people have been following these guys careers to make these sort of comments


boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Thu 15-May-2008:

i assume that is in reference to my prediction,which i have based watching recent perfrmances as well as old, if jones had been fve years younger, tarver wouldnt have beat him, jones no longer has the speed to hide that chin, tarver has shown propensity to tire late recently, as calzaghe turns on later, thats where i arrived at a tarver loss, joe still has those fast hands, and hopkins was using the grab and clutch to negate his power so i wouldnt go on that fight.


Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Thu 15-May-2008:

Getting tyred late in a fight as you rightly pointed out about Tarver and knocking someone out with a great chin, like Tarver has... is something that Joe wouldnt be able to do... Against a guy like Tarver

who lets face it is a big light heavy weight fighter and has more than enough boxing savy and skills to go 12 rounds pretty easily with a guy who's hands havent been the same for about the last 5 years... And doesnt have a one pounch knockout power (accumalation puncher)

Even Jeff Lacy who lets face it took some serious compu box figures or scoring head shots from Joe... Managed to see the 12 rounds at super middle....

So for Joe to knock Tarver out.... NO CHANCE!! Points victory, high posibility if he dont get clipped himself


boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Thu 15-May-2008:

thats a good point,joes chin isnt infallible either. lacy looks like a guy you could beat with a bat and still not knock him out,however, i guess i was relying more on intangible qualities, heart, etc.and if tarver lost heart against joe like he did hopkins,he could get overwhelmed, no knock on tarver, nobody jumped higher when he flattened jones jr. 


boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Thu 15-May-2008:

heart counts, pavlik wouldnt be champ right now without it, even with that iron punch


boxerrick
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boxerrick (19 Posts) on Sat 17-May-2008:

anybody sse margarito-cintron2, i missed it, heard cintron was coughing rib bones up, joking, would have liked to see it


Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Mon 19-May-2008:

Yea good fight, Cintron started off well jabbing and kinda outboxing Margarito. But there was a sense of enevitability about it as Cintron began to slow and Margarito's toughness began to break his heart. Took his best shots and just ground him down.... and took him out... One tough ass Mexican that Margarito


Squarepants
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Squarepants (15 Posts) on Wed 28-May-2008:

i was at the kessler fight and i made it a lot closer than the judges i felt joe has started toage and this was aparent aganist hopkins. personally he is undefeated two weight undisputed champion he should go out at the top. anything he does now is for money and the risk aganist his legacy is to much. go out on the top joey c!!! roy jones and lennox at almost at the same time had massive career decisions. lennox scrapped through aganist vitali and realised his powers were dwindling and retired as a great champion and an all time great roy jones scrapped through in the first fight with tarver but decided on a rematch instead of seeing the writing on the wall and it cost him his legacy. i would hate to see joe make the same mistake


Dibber
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Dibber (1 Posts) on Thu 5-Jun-2008:

I dont think joe has anything left to prove  in the super middle weight devision he dominated that for years, people say that there wasnt any desent opponents but thats rubbish.
Also some people say he wont be remembered as a legend but i highley dissagree i think to finish a carreer without any losses is amazing.

As his final fight i would like to see him fight Roy jones Jr in cardiff to give him the proper send off he deserves.
I definitly think he would win that fight


sheriyar
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sheriyar (3 Posts) on Thu 12-Jun-2008:

I think there are only 2 fights for Joe Calzaghe those are Roy Jones JR and Kelly Pavlik, Jones Jr because he is a legend and Calzaghe can add a big name to his cv and Pavlik because he is young and fresh and he needs to be taught a boxing lesson just like Calzaghe taught Kessler who i belive punches as hard as Pavlik


Curtley
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Curtley (16 Posts) on Thu 12-Jun-2008:

Calzaghe is a superb fighter who's legacy is of a man who defeated everyone in his weight class. As for beating 'great' fighters no one has mentioned the Chris Eubank victory in which Joe dominated and floored the brilliant super-middle who although past his best would still have beaten most top fighters. I also think that Kessler will go on to be a very good muliple world champ and Lacy whilst limited was made out to be a monster until Joe ruined him. Joes hands have stopped him punching as hard as he did in his early career but to my mind the Reid and Hopkins fights are the only close fights of Joes career all others he has won easily.


MaximilianoHe
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MaximilianoHe (17 Posts) on Sun 15-Jun-2008:

Mancmarvel,
your comment about 44 fights unbeaten MEANS NOTHING.

There are DOZENS of horrible fighters unbeaten, Sven Ottke has finished its long years carreer unbetaten, nevertheless I think my uncle would ko him in 30 seconds.

What is the point of being unbetaten having fought against 42 chickens, 1 average fighter (Kessler) and one very old man (Hopkins)with split decision ?

Calzaghe curriculum SUCKS, just compare Calzaghe curriculum with the ebst fighters like Leonard, Duran, Robinson, etc...

Latest news: Calzaghe rejects fight with Pavlik, because (his words) " It is a too easy fight, it is obvious I will beat him easily".

I translate " Please, no ,no, no, don t give me this guy, please, I am afraid, I will kill me, please give Roy Jones, but wait few more months, until I will be little bit older, now he is still too dangerous and strong.  Tarver ? Noo, too strong,too young.
Dawson ? Oh my God, please spare me the hospital !  Glen Johnson ? Well, If I survive 12 rounds I will have to arrange with the referees..."

That s Calzaghe, I can smell when He **** in his pants when his manager asked him about fighting with Pavlik.

Shame on him ! He is nobody !

Look at Leonard, 6 world classes titles, after 5 years of inactivity he came back to fight Hagler.,and than he KOT the lightweight champ Lalonde.
Please, how you DARE to compare "**** in the pants" Calzaghe with these champions ??

No way ever ....


MaximilianoHe
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MaximilianoHe (17 Posts) on Sun 15-Jun-2008:

Ok guys sorry maybe I have exaggerated little bit, but I am very disappointed Calzaghe is sooo scared of a guy lighter than him like Pavlik.

Leonard was not scared after 5 years without fighting to face Hagler, at that time by far the best fighter in the world and much heavier than him and after that, even with the risk of getting blind, go up further and kot a lightweight champ.

If you dare to compare Calzaghe with Leonard I would say it is like compare a quark (part of the atom) with the whole universe.

Calzaghe is just little bit better than Sven Ottke.


Marwood
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Marwood (2 Posts) on Sun 15-Jun-2008:

I feel Joe has had a great career, and been a fine ambassador for British boxing.  That said, fighting has-beens like RJJ will not bode well in the history books.  Does he really need any more money?  

I'd like to see Joe fight Pavlik.  


Curtley
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Curtley (16 Posts) on Mon 16-Jun-2008:

MaximilianoHe, nobody in there right minds would compare Calzaghe to Leonard or Duran, top ten of all time fighters and it seems to be only you who wants to do this. Calzaghe is however one of the best of his generation and a lot of what you talk is utter rubbish. Pavlik is strong and a good puncher and would put Calzaghe down only to get out boxed, out sped and out thought losing on points or getting stopped late. Tarver is 39 so is not young and is pretty average living off KO of a washed up Jones Jr and would get beaten easily by Joe as for Dawson he has promise but would be another Lacy and Joe would also beat him easily. We are all just armchair critics and I would point to Ring mag having him at P4P number 2 and Floyd Mayweather describing Calzaghe as "The truth" after the lacy fight to get an indication of what people who really know what they are talking about think when assessing Joe's. Why did Joe not go to america? Because he could make twice as much money fighting in the UK, as for being a home fighter many of Joes fights were in England against English guys so he was in every sense an away fighter. Also however you want to spin it Eubank, Kessler, Lacy and a prime Robin Reid were not bums and are all former world champs as were Brewer and Mitchell! I would like to see Joe fight Pavlik and I agree it is a shame that it will not happen but Kelly needs Joe a lot more than Joe needs Kelly. Its okay not to like Joe as a fighter which you obviously don't but not okay to completely assasinate him when what you say is wrong. For instance I have never liked B-Hop as a fighter as he spoils and cheats but cannot deny he is one of the best of his generation.


tarris
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tarris (4 Posts) on Tue 17-Jun-2008:

I feel as though joe is at the same situation where Eubanks was towards the end of his career. The time has come and its inevitable that a yonger more hungrier fighter will take his place. Its up to Joe to decide does he carry on and take on all comers or does he step down with his record intact.
Lets face it although we all beg to differ on joes abilities i feel that a younger hopkins would have taken him and the pavlik guy looks to be something. Hard hitting confident and hungry. Whatever joes choice is i congratulate him on his achievments and im sure he will go down in history as a good champion of his era


Curtley
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Curtley (16 Posts) on Thu 19-Jun-2008:

MaximilianoHe, you should take a leaf out of Tarris' book, may not be a huge Calzaghe fan but has the grace and intelligence to recognise he considerable achievement!!!


SeanFo
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SeanFo (4 Posts) on Fri 20-Jun-2008:

People will always be talking that there's ONE more fight that a fighter must take...

If Joe Calzaghe fought and beat Pavlik, then Joe Public would demand he fought the next shiny thing.

Everyone said Lacy was the next best thing at SM and would beat Calzaghe. Then everyone said Kessler was the best SM. Joe beat him. Then everyone said B-Hop was the best LH. Joe stepped up a weight and beat him. Now everyone is saying he should fight a MW!?!  No wonder he's laughing it off.

(I do highly respect Pavlik though, greater fighter and great bloke)

Also don't be fooled that Joe can't punch... When he sits down on his punches he can punch but a few broken bones changes your style.


Smoke
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Smoke (3 Posts) on Sun 22-Jun-2008:

With all due respect (to the Ghost) but WTF has Pavlik done to deserve automatic ranking above Calzaghe.People on this site and in usa especially think Pav's the best fighter in the world @ the mo ive even heard refrences to PBF ...get a grip folks Yes Pavliks good very good infact but hes never faced anyone like Calzaghe hes only faced to decent guys at world level Miranda and Taylor. Pav's never been put under sustained pressure Calzaghe would give him that .. JC showed against Mikkel kessler, Jeff Lacy and a whole host of ther big hitters that in boxing you need more than a big punch If they did fight JC takes a U.D over 12  however Joe will take Roy Jones for a big $$££$$ pay day and to be honest he ****ing deserves it....


Robbobtc
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Robbobtc (3 Posts) on Sun 22-Jun-2008:

I think Calzaghe will stay away from Pavlik. He is far too dangerous an opponent, especially as Calzaghe is 100% concentrating on finishing unbeaten. He says he only wants one more fight (Jones) but could be tempted into one more after that..Tarver maybe?


steve19
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steve19 (2 Posts) on Sat 28-Jun-2008:

...I can't believe that guy wanted Calzaghe to fight David Haye. He needs to lay off the mushrooms!


riviera
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riviera (1 Posts) on Wed 9-Jul-2008:

Calzaghe is no fool:  Pavlik would torture him for 5/6 rounds and then knock the stuffing out of him.

He has ZERO chance against Pavlik.

Against the has-been...well, they'll dance around for 12 rounds and that will be that. BORING.


Curtley
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Curtley (16 Posts) on Thu 10-Jul-2008:

Pavlik is a strong, brave, big punching fighter but apart from beating Taylor has done very little of note and is seriously limited. However some fans talk like he is the second coming of Carlos Monzon. We now know Calzaghe is fighting Jones Jr in his last contest of a stellar career.  These two guys fighting days are both coming to an end. Lets see how Pavlik's resume is when he retires before saying he would do this and that to Calzaghe as I'm not sure he would even beat Abraham, why should Joe fight him until he at least fully proves he is the best MW.


Curtley
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Curtley (16 Posts) on Thu 10-Jul-2008:

Pavlik is a strong, brave, big punching fighter but apart from beating Taylor has done very little of note and is seriously limited. However some fans talk like he is the second coming of Carlos Monzon. We now know Calzaghe is fighting Jones Jr in his last contest of a stellar career.  These two guys fighting days are both coming to an end. Lets see how Pavlik's resume is when he retires before saying he would do this and that to Calzaghe as I'm not sure he would even beat Abraham, why should Joe fight him until he at least fully proves he is the best MW.


MARJE14
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MARJE14 (2 Posts) on Sun 13-Jul-2008:

JOE STOPS PAVLIK, OUT BOXES TARVER AND STOPS JONES, DONT MATTER WHO HE FIGHTS NEXT REALLY, ROY N ANT TOO OLD N PAVLIK TOO LIMITED.


faz
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faz (3 Posts) on Mon 14-Jul-2008:

joe calz should fight anthony mundine ,joes been ducking him, i think mundine is the next big thing but no one wants to fight him. he has the most viewers ever in boxing on paper per view history he very big in australia but no big name fighters will fight him


faz
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faz (3 Posts) on Mon 14-Jul-2008:

joe calz should fight anthony mundine ,joes been ducking him, i think mundine is the next big thing but no one wants to fight him. he has the most viewers ever in boxing on paper per view history he very big in australia but no big name fighters will fight him


Curtley
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Curtley (16 Posts) on Wed 16-Jul-2008:

Kessler beat Mundine easily and where you get the most watched Pay per view quote from is ridiculous as this is obviously De La Hoya.

Calzaghe in a different league to the ex rugby league player which is proven by his win against Kessler


Tko2020
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Tko2020 (1 Posts) on Thu 17-Jul-2008:

A fight i would like to see is Mayweather v Pacquaio, at a catchweight maybe.


uzzy
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uzzy (2 Posts) on Fri 18-Jul-2008:

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE JOE AGAINST PAVLIK!
JUST TO PROVE A POINT AFTER BEATING HIS STABLE  MATE GARY LOCKETT,FAIR PLAY TO LOCKETT FOR AVIN A GO BUT I THINK HE WAS A BIT OUT OF HIS DEPTH,AS FOR JOE I THINK HE WOULD BEAT PAVLIK EASY.


teddybears
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teddybears (4 Posts) on Sat 19-Jul-2008:

looks like its jones next but after that defo fight pavlik then taver


Cestrian
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Cestrian (82 Posts) on Thu 24-Jul-2008:

I hope Joe has the Jones fight as his good bye fight and puts his feet up with his unbeaten record in place. For me he beats Jones with work rate over 12 rounds and retires as one of our best champions we have produced.
He does NOT want to go near Pavlik at this stage in his career.
 I have followed his career for a long time and watched him live quite a few times and he cannot let his punches go like he used to for fear of damaging his hands. 

The peak Joe would have bombed Pavlik out in a 4 round war – To mix it with Pavlik you need to be able to really dig in addition to everything else and he no longer punches with real spite. Why risk it at the 11th hour of his career. It think the Pavlik V Popkins fight will tell us more.
 

As for all the ozzies on here barking on about Mundine… He is not in the same league. He would not even be spoken about if there was not the ridiculous rule that if you Australian champion you get ranked inside the top 10 without fighting anyone!

To often your fighters get thrown in without stepping up from club level fighters.
 

Have a look at Mundine’s record its full of padding like Lester Ellis fighting in 40’s 2 stone above his weight !

http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=014646&cat=boxer

 

When ever he has stepped up against world class fighters his bottle has gone he goes into survival mode and he has lost :–

 

Kessler - beat him easily (& Joe beat Kessler)

Manny Siaca - (I was unlucky enough to be near ringside) was a shocking fight where he jeered by his home crowd for 12 rounds as he hung on like koala bear hanging from a burning branch !!

Sven Ottke – An aged Sven renowned for his one punch knockout power Wink was able to spark him out until his car was the only one left in the car park.

 

Mundine would not get passed 5 rounds with Carl Froch enough said….


Cestrian
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Cestrian (82 Posts) on Fri 8-Aug-2008:

no reply...I take it you all agree then Laughing


MM007
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MM007 (11 Posts) on Wed 27-Aug-2008:

Cestrian, you are right. There are very few Aussies that rate Mundine. They only go to the pub to watch him fight those blown up MW's or drained LH's who are nobodies or over the hill. For the slightest chance he might get KO'ed. Don't go generalising all of us, which I will quote you, "and for all you Aussies", because 1 idiot of limited knowledge, is a fan, you ****.


Cestrian
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Cestrian (82 Posts) on Sun 7-Sep-2008:

JeffSal - If your going to quote me mate get it right.....

You said "Don't go generalising all of us, which I will quote you, "and for all you Aussies", because 1 idiot of limited knowledge, is a fan, you ****."

What I actually wrote was "As for all the ozzies on here barking on about Mundine…"

If you took the time to read the three earlier posts there were several Aussies claiming Mundine was the second coming of Marvin Haggler.... My post was in direct response to them, how is that generalising you fool ?

I stand by what I wrote.

If it was not for the ridiculous rule that if you Australian champion you get ranked inside the top 10 without fighting anyone! (There is no way a British super middle weight fighter ranked in the top 5 in the world would call out and fight a blown up by 5 division Lester Ellis in his 40’s it just would not happen )

The problem you have is there is hardly boxing infrastructure in place, just the one sided Jeff Fenech promotions on every couple of Friday nights… Boxing figures right at the bottom of the list of your sports behind League, union, Aussie rules, cricket, soccer etc etc. The competition for Australian national champion is so bad there are handful of rugby players (like Mundine) trying their hand, and why not because they win few bar room brawls and they will get a world ranking FFS.

I noticed you did not actually make any points in your post regarding this…. So if I am of limited knowledge where does that leave you ??

If there is one thing Mundine can be credited for is he and Danny Green have helped raise the profile of boxing in Australia but without investment into your armature game it will fizzle out.



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Cestrian (82 Posts) on Mon 8-Dec-2008:

Calzaghe to retire !! I for one am made up.

There is always going to be a Froch or the joke Mundane call him out for another last fight.

The time to go is now as P4P number 2 in thw world and no draws and no losses and having seen off 9 current or exworld champs, Picking up 5 world titles over two weights !

Best ever British fighter ???


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colinthfc (1 Posts) on Thu 11-Dec-2008:

As he is 46-0 he should either quit immediately, or go for the big 50-0.

To carry on I think he needs a belt at 175 to tidy up his record and Chad Dawson has done some cleaning up of his own - Johnson & Tarver

Next May - Dawson in Cardiff to 47-0

Then for 48-0 he could go back to his Italian routes at take on Fragomeni for the WBC cruiser belt.  He is old and been bashed up by David Haye, and to add extra spice the fight could take place on the pitch at the Juventus Stadium

Then back to Cardiff early 2010 against is old mate Enzo (who hopefully will have the rest of the cruiser belts by then) for a massive cruiser unifier

For the magic 50-0 Wembley Stadium in Summer 2010, his last fight, and up at Heavy weight against David Haye, at an agreed weight to beat Rocky Marciano and his place in boxing folk lore     


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spidersex (2 Posts) on Thu 11-Dec-2008:

what the hell are you smoking fella??? can i have some?Foot in mouth i think every one of those fights have absolutely zero chance of happening.if he bothers to fight again(and i have doubts he will bother ) i think your odds on bet would be jermain taylor.keep taking the pills....




 




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