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Topic: ROY JONES BEATS JOE CALZAGHE...
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Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Mon 3-Nov-2008:

Realy cant see why everyone rekons Calzaghe beats Roy Jones... Roy Jones is gonna be too big for Calzaghe, hit with too much authority and accuracy and give Calzaghe fits in this match.
He just knows too much and has enough of a punch output to win this fight....


Cestrian
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Cestrian (82 Posts) on Mon 3-Nov-2008:

We will see...

I have JC a points winner based on his boxing abilty, chin, and more than anything else... his punch output.

But Styles makes fights as last weeks Pav V Bhop fight showed. JC come forward style could suit Roy as he like to counter punch. I expect JC to box his way in rather than charge in and take a close one on points.


Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Tue 4-Nov-2008:

I see what you are saying about JC workrate.. However I have looked closely at RJ last couple of fights and believe he still has way too much in the tank for JC.
Major factor in this fight is timing. RJ has had plenty of time now to allow his body to adjust back 2 12.7 stone after coming down from heavyweight, shedding all that weight quickly and getting wiped out by Glen Johnson and Tarver.
A prime recent example of this is what happened 2 Chris Byrd recently at light heavyweight. Coming down from heavyweight making weight, feeling obviously week (dunno what he was thinking) and getting wooped by some unknown light heavyweight.

Roy's body has recovered now and he rekons he walks around just over the light heavy limit. This is going to be a major factor in this fight as he is no longer struggling to make weight.

I think the main thing that is going to allow RJ to win this fight, is the major fact that JC is too easy to hit, especially with straight right hands. RJ favourite shot. I aint missing this one, but only can see one winner. Pressure, JC will get picked off wid sharp counters. Stand and box... well there is only one winner. Unfortunately for JC he doesnt hit hard enough to hurt RJ so RJ can realy even take more chances than usual in this fight


Cestrian
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Cestrian (82 Posts) on Tue 4-Nov-2008:

I hear what your saying - I think we will see a improved jones.

Fact remains he fought John Ruiz up at heavy - 01/03/03.

He fought Tarver first 7 months later far to soon and looked like crap (and lost but got the nod). He then lost the next 3 the last been tarver 01/10/05.....

Thats over 2 years 7 months comming down off Heavyweight... How long does he need ? 

He has taken 3 easy fight build himself again but its easy to see why a lot of people are giving Joe the nod. He has beat everyone that will get in the ring form for years and never lost. I would not underestimate his power he has stopped a lot of fighters. I would not under estimate his boxing he has fast hands and a good boxing brain.

I think Kessler would and will stop all of US top SM and LH fighters in the next 2/3 years and just show how goood Joe was to beat him.

Joe for me takes a close fight - winning on punch output


Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Tue 4-Nov-2008:

Some good points there... Kessler is a good fighter, but i wouldnt go that far as Chad Dawson looked pretty hot the other day, and looks like a big light heavyweight..

Dunno about Joe's punching power, he even had 2 push this fight back due to another hand injury. He was a puncher a few years ago before all the unfortunate hand trouble and seems to try and protect them in fights by cuffing and slapping. The Joe of old would have stopped Lacy in five rounds. Instead he took over a thousand punches and was still there after 12 rounds.

Against RJJ he will need 2 sit on his shots more and realy crack hard 2 make RJJ feel uncomfortable. Like Glencofe and Tarver did, throw big bombs in while he backs up. I dont believe Joe has the power 2 do this at light heavy as he wasnt capable of it in his last few fights.


Cestrian
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Cestrian (82 Posts) on Tue 4-Nov-2008:

Yeah I agree with a lot of wha you are saying.

I think we know what we are going to get from Roy - about 75% of what he was. Slower, but sill a great counter puncher. With Suspect chin.

Its more about what JC can bring to the table - Your bang on about Joe hands, I think he still has the power but he does not want to damage them early/mid fight.

He does let his hand go later on in fights, he tends to throw bunches of shots 3/4 light scoring shots with one hard one tucked in. I think he now knows he can only safely stop fighters late on without fear of injury.

He smashed a few heavy shot in towards the end against Kessler & bhop but they are made of teak.

He did the same to Lacy and nearly stopped him late on (corner should have saved him because he was never going to win and it finished him)

If we get into the mid to late rounds I would not be surpised if you see Joe slowly picking up the pace and making Roy work harder. I would not rule out Joe grinding him down and stopping him late on but u never know in boxing.

Should be a great fight.


Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Tue 4-Nov-2008:

Agreed should be a great fight..

We will haveto pick up the debate after the fight for sure...

Ha well one of the two of us will be saying I told u so i guess..


DeuceBigelow
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DeuceBigelow (5 Posts) on Sun 9-Nov-2008:

2 hrs until we find out!
According to Steve Bunce, a well known British Boxing pundit, the word in the Calzaghe camp is that Joe still had 6lbs to lose in the last 24hrs. That's going to be a huge drain on his body.
However, I can't see Jones beating Joe and feel Jones' chances have been overstated. 5 years ago maybe, but it'd be a huge upset now.


Thunder Down Under
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Thunder Down Under (2 Posts) on Sun 9-Nov-2008:

BOTH FIGHTERS SHOULD RETIRE
 I was very please Joe Calzaghe beat Jones and hopefully he now retire's undefeated. There's no point fighting Hopkins, let's face it, it was a dull fight although it was close. Chad Dawson looks good, but does he really need him on his record? I don't think if he beat him it would make his legacy any greater.
  He's 36, been champ for 11 years, he can go out with his head held high like Lennox Lewis, there's nothing more to achive.
 As for Roy Jones, the first two rounds were the old Roy, fast, cocky and hard sharp punches. Amazing to watch. But the reality of father time caught up with him as the fight went on. Ten years ago the result may well have been different, and i was sad to see him getting caught so often and not fireing back. It's time to call it a day, one of the best boxers of our time.


j25wales
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j25wales (4 Posts) on Sun 9-Nov-2008:

WELL I HAVE TO SAY DIDNT EXPECT THE FIGHT TO BE THAT FAR APART I EXPECTED CALZAGHE TO WIN AS PER USUAL BUT ROY JONES HAS DEFINATELY LOST.THAS NOT TO SAY HE IS NOT A GOOD BOXER HE IS STILL ROY JONES AT THE END OF THE OF THE DAY.THE WORK RATE OF JC WAS IMPRESSIVE AGAIN BUT I DO THINK THE CUT CHANGED ALOT OF THINGS ROY I THINK STILL HAS THE POWER BUT NOT MANY BOXERS HAVE GOT A BETTER CHIN THAN CALZAGHE EVEN THO HE DID GO DOWN IN THE FIRST HE STILL GOT UP AN FOUND A WAY TO WIN.I THINK BOTH WILL RETIRE BOTH DONT HAVE ANYTHING ELSE LEFT TO PROVE

Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Tue 11-Nov-2008:

That was a one sided beating and a sad sight to watch Roy Jones getting beaten up like that..
Besides the first round, the fight wasnt even competitive..
Great performance from Joe. Hope he gives us the opportunity to watch him at work for one last time..

Who u guys think he should fight next if he was to?


Cestrian
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Cestrian (82 Posts) on Sun 23-Nov-2008:

I hate to say I told you so Gambles ;o) so I wont.

Both fighters should now should hang them up for different reasons.

JC because he has nothing left to prove and he is on the slide. No matter who he beats there will always be another fighter calling him out... Fight on and he will get beat, its just a matter of time.
 
I am confident he will call it a day, his dad who has always trained him was interviewd after the fight said thats it no more.

RJ Because he risks getting hurt (his legacy is already damaged). I t was sad to see my hero from past years taking such a beating.

You cannot enjoy your money when you in a hospital bed. He may look ok now but in 15/20 years time the beatings he is taking now will come home to roost.


Gambles
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Gambles (12 Posts) on Sun 23-Nov-2008:

true true...




 




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