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Totally agree with you Perko, I think everyone would have liked to see a Ali - Foreman rematch in the US. And I would have put my money (plastic toy money for me at the time Wink) on Foreman. Even in a Ali camp picked maximum sized ring.


perko > I agree with the style vs style approach, but that's not my point. My problem with Ali is that he won some decision wins that marked his career while he should have lost them. I agree with the guy's talent, he was damn good, but not the way he used it. In boxing you shouldn't be able to win rounds bij taking 16 trowing 5 and making a joke... And I even see it that he lost all 3 against Norton for example, so he normally wouldn't even be in the position to challenge Foreman at the time (spectaculair win btw). It's very hard to come up with the best of that era because they all beat each other, and my favorite of the time is Foreman, but he was to static. So I go for Frazier, even if he did get his *ss handed to him twice bij Foreman.


I know a lot of people may dislike me for this, but I think Ali is one of the most overrated HW's of all time! Johnboy mentioned it already (the Norton III debacle) but that wasn't the only questionable decision favoured to Ali in his career. Ali won a lot of his fights taking a lot more punches then he trew, depending on his chin, his ability to avoid his opponent (and the fight) and last but not least his populairity. I've seen his 'Biggest fights' all with the baggage of my father and uncles that he was the best ever, and man what a dissapointment it was when I saw these fights of him in replay. A fighter avoiding his opponent and joking in the ring, getting pounded upon, holding, trowing a couple of punches at the end of the round and taking the dicision. Even his biggest fans admitted that Ali got every close and undicited round. I'm sorry but I can't see him on top of the list... Frazier gets that one from me.

glass jaw-granite chin on Sat 15-Aug-2009:

For the granite chin department I go for Ali who took whoopings in and over his prime from the likes of Norton, Frazier, Holmes etc. and miraculously managed to stay on his feet. Forementioned Ray Mercer, and lets not forget James Toney, who took the big punches in something like every division. For the glass jaw division; KO or being KO'd Herbie Hide -who looked always scared against every opponent altough he could KO them easily- and one of his opponents (and many great fighters who wanted a quick and easy win) Conroy Nelson. But he wasn't a real contender of course.


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