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Go to the original post and check my profile of Bowe. It spells out anything I would have to say on this matter in detail. I decline to write the same thing twice.
corley (6 Postson Wed 26-Aug-2009: 

just checked big daddys record,i see pinklon thomas,dokes,hide,seldon n not much else no tyson lewis mercer morrison and jorge luis gonzalez wont make up 4 that!



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I think in terms of talent, Bowe develop much more rapidly than Lennox. Bowe peaked around 1992, and remained quite formidable in 1993 and 1994. Lewis did not start peaking until 1995. Actually if you look at his amateur career, it seemed to be Lewis's thing to bloom later than his contemporaries. Anyway, if Bowe and Lewis had met between 1992 and 1994, on paper Bowe should have won. Except events in the ring often don't work out like the statistics and resumes say they should. Bowe was a bully, and had serious character issues that dogged his whole career. Everything would have to go right for him in the ring, because if Lewis rocked him, I doubt Bowe would have had the heart to put it back together over the man who humiliated him at the Olympics...


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Top 10 1980s Middleweights on Mon 24-Aug-2009:

You are probably right about Nunn. For some reason, I can never quite shake him from association with the early 1990s, but his height was the late 1980s.


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About the Tyson v. Douglas long count: It's an overstated myth, even if it had happened stuff like that hapens in boxing, and finally it took place BEFORE the era in question, so what difference does it make?
 
About Riddick Bowe: I suggest anyone who thinks he is too high or that he had "only one good night" against Holyfield either read my biography of him (see the link on the original Top Ten list) or go to boxrec and review his record again. I consider Bowe to be one of the worst examples of wasted talent in modern memory, but man, he had talent to waste.


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Linden: I am of the opinion that when a fighter puts on a strong showing that improves his standing, but loses anyway, it should always be considered as a part of his merit down the road. Do we discount the performance of Tommy Hearns in Leonard I and Hagler? Of course not.
 
That kept in mind, Mercer's two losses to Lewis and Holyfield score more points for him than pretty much anything McCall did in his entire career... except the suspect win over Lewis. When Witherspoon and Morrison are thrown in there too, he just comes off as a stronger contender. Certainly everyone at the time thought so.


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Other fighter before Douglas had certainly tried to box from the outside before, and failed miserably. Those guys might not have been better than Douglas at his best, but if they were not they were certainly more consistent. A lot of things went wrong for Tyson that night, but 4/5s of them were wrong with Tyson himself.


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glass jaw-granite chin on Fri 14-Aug-2009:

Not at all. The man could clearly take a punch. Whether he had a cast iron jaw... has McCall ever taken a clear, big shot from a major puncher and gone unfazed? Or nearly so? That is the hallmark of a cast iron jaw.


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razr - This is about the Bowe-Lewis-Holyfield era. It says so right on the title. Frankly, I don't know why people have such a hard time with a little stricture like that. It would be like talking about everything Ray Robinson did as a welterweight when trying to examine his accomplishments as a light heavyweight.
 
Linden - I think you rate McCall too highly. He had his night against Lewis, but that was when he had been schooled to perfection by Steward, Lewis was overconfident and had a lot to learn yet, and finally the "knockout" victory was suspect in the extreme. Lewis got up and was willing and able to fight. The stoppage always stank, IMHO.
 
Against that, he lost to Tucker, Douglas, Norris and Bruno. His win over Maskaev was in big Oleg's SEVENTH pro fight! That hardly counts for anything. He had some good wins later on - Akinwande, Wilson - but his record is decidedly on the bad side of mixed.
 
Comparing that to Mercer, I think the problem is that Mercer was a screw-up. He lost to guys like Fergusson not because he couldn't beat them, but because he got lazy. I hold it against Mercer, but that still does not mean that Mercer on a good night was not in a whole other league than McCall at his best.


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Top 10 1980s Middleweights on Tue 11-Aug-2009:



I think one of the problems people have with a format like this one is that it is a little too specific for their frame of reference. I think, for example, that when a Duran-lover sees Duran rated low, they do not stop to think "well, what did he really accomplish at 147?" They instead fixate on the career as a whole, which isn't the point.
So I say this: if anyone wants to, I invite them to start a Top 10 of the Four Kings era (Duran-Leonard-Hearns-Hagler) era.




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1980s Welterweights on Tue 11-Aug-2009:

I think one of the problems people have with a format like this one is that it is a little too specific for their frame of reference. I think, for example, that when a Duran-lover sees Duran rated low, they do not stop to think "well, what did he really accomplish at 147?" They instead fixate on the career as a whole, which isn't the point.
So I say this: if anyone wants to, I invite them to start a Top 10 of the Four Kings era (Duran-Leonard-Hearns-Hagler) era.


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