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25 NOVEMBER 2014

 

ATE: Margarito Wrap-Gate, Hatton P4P No.1?, De La Hoya, Best Fight, Kessler Search, Sam Peter’s Donuts, Mundine-Geale and More


Hatton wants Pac-Man's crown: HoganPhotos.com
Hatton wants Pac-Man's crown: HoganPhotos.com

In today’s edition of Ask The Editor (ATE), we talk about Antonio Margarito’s Wrap-Gate, consider if Ricky Hatton should be pound for pound No.1 if he beats Manny Pacquiao and get to the bottom of what really happened to Oscar De La Hoya against the Pac-Man. We take another punch at the best boxing fight of all time, send a search party out to look for Mikkel Kessler, count how many donuts Sam Peter ate before his last fight, preview the Anthony Mundine-Daniel Geale match and much more.

Name : James Wood
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Good afternoon chaps. Great site, keep up the good work. This is a question that no doubt has been asked before but I have yet to find an answer for. Given the recent controversy concerning Margarito’s illegal hand wraps, is anyone else suspicious of his win over Cotto? I have never seen Cotto marked up as bad as that after a fight and, of course, he lost his unbeaten record. Any thoughts?

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: James, there’s no doubt in my mind that Margarito’s win over Cotto is tainted and suspicious. Who knows how many of Margarito’s fights included loaded gloves?

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I don’t think there is an accurate answer for your question James. Only Margarito can tell us what really happened that night against Cotto. Otherwise, it is only speculation with no proof. While I have a question mark on what happened with Margarito-Cotto, I am also very interested in what happened in Margarito’s fight with Paul Williams?

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Cotto may be more than a little suspicious as, I’d imagine, is Kermit Cintron who Margarito beat twice. I really don’t know what to think – the infraction that he has been punished for happened before the Mosley fight and he has to take his medicine. That’s all that really matters, now.

Name : Alex Pacey
Country : Australia
Your Question :
As an Englishman living in Australia who is a daily reader of SecondsOut, I felt compelled to wade in on the Hatton P4P debate. There seems to be a lot of talk on the blogs concerning Ricky’s dominance being at one weight class only and that’s a fair point, but let’s put it in its historical context. I have no doubt that in his time Ali would have been considered P4P best yet he only fought professionally at one weight, same goes for Jack Johnson, Dempsey, Hagler and many other greats who would easily have fallen in to the P4P best bracket. Aside from some historical freaks of nature; Robinson, Moore etc. very, very few fighters are dominant at a number of weights. Add to this the fact that in the modern game there is less gap between weights and I think it’s fair to say that this issue is only one of many factors to consider when measuring P4P. As far as I’m concerned, if you beat the best then you become the best, if (massive if clearly!) Hatton bests Manny and then Floyd, then I can’t see a valid argument for him not to be considered P4P best. Will he do it? I have a horrible feeling that it’s a step too far. Manny just seems to have so much power and energy that he doesn’t wear out - he maybe the guy to out Hatton Hatton. And Floyd Mayweather Jr, much as it irritates me to say it, just seemed to have Ricky’s number. Mind you, if I could read what Ricky was doing that night then I think he must have made it far too easy for Mayweather. Love to hear your thoughts guys.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Alex, good points regarding PFP status. It shouldn’t matter if a fighter only dominates in one weight class...dominance is dominance! Ricardo Lopez and Bernard Hopkins were best PFP candidates for many years at one weight class. Regarding Hatton, if Ricky manages to derail Pacquiao, he has to be considered as a leading best PFP candidate regardless of Mayweather’s status, because if Mayweather chooses not to fight, he shouldn’t be considered at all until he resumes his career.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Excellent point about criteria for pound for pound No.1 rankings. The best boxer in the world is the best boxer in the world regardless of how many weight classes he has or hasn’t fought in. I suspect some people are using performances in multiple weight classes as a tool to overcome the alphabet soup of what is and what isn’t a world title these days. If Hatton beats Pacquiao, the only other person I would currently consider for the No.1 sport would be Juan Manuel Marquez. But if Hatton defeats Pacquiao convincingly and without doubt, something Marquez was not able to do, then you would have to seriously consider Hatton for the top spot.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I have no problem with the Englishman taking the pound for pound crown if he is victorious. I happen to like Hatton’s chances against Pacquiao in a wonderfully exciting fight – I don’t think Pac-Man’s victory over a flat and seemingly ill prepared De La Hoya necessarily means that he’ll be able to defeat a fast, strong and energetic pressure fighter like Hatton. The winner could fight Mayweather in another massive money fight down the road, so there is everything to play for here – this will be a great fight.

Name : Robert Mini
Country : USA
Your Question :
Do yo think Oscar De La Hoya’s loss to Pac-Man was a thrown fight or was Manny just to good and with that being said, do you think De La Hoya has anything left and will he fight again?

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Robert, I think Pacquiao was fabulous against De La Hoya and it was compounded by the fact that De La Hoya fought a terrible fight. I’m not saying a different De La Hoya approach would have changed the outcome, but some tactful clinching by Oscar might have made it less of a one-sided beating. I don’t know what De La Hoya has left, however I do think the Golden Boy fights again.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: If Oscar was to have thrown the fight against Pacquiao, what did he possibly hope to gain from doing that? …Anything? No. So that is your answer. De La Hoya is a proud fighter and he wanted to beat Pacquiao as much or even possibly more than any other opponent in his career. In hindsight, De La Hoya and his team need to ask themselves some serious questions about what they were trying to do with his weight for the fight with Pacquiao. Beforehand, almost everyone picking De La Hoya to win easily were pointing to his advantages in size and weight. So why would you give that advantage away and weigh-in less than Pacquiao did? I can only guess that they were trying to be prepare for Pacquiao’s speed and stamina by bringing into the ring a lighter, fitter Golden Boy. If so, it backfired badly. I suspect that we will see De La Hoya fight again before the end of 2009. He won’t retire on a loss like that.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: There is no way that fight was thrown, Robert. I think De La Hoya had a disastrous off night against one of the best fighters in the world – he looked drained, out of sorts and would have struggled against most top fighters. I don’t think he’ll want to end his career on that sour note so, yes, I think he’ll fight again. He has scheduled a press conference to discuss his future later in the month.

Name : Viel Mervic Nuestro
Country : Philippines
Your Question :
Hello SecondsOut team. Vitali Klitschko won via TKO over Gomez. Congrats to him. Prior to the fight, there was this controversy about the ring. Pure boxers and technical fighters tend to utilize the ring to its full extent, and Gomez is one. It was evident that Gomez couldn’t quite cut off the ring. Even though the size of the ring was resized acceptable to both sides, it was evident that the ring looked small. Did it play to the win by Klitschko? Or was Vitali just too good for Gomez? Roy Jones Jr won over Sheika. Again, a good fight, but not great, for RJJ. Sheika is good, but he can’t even get to twelve against a very-very-past-his-prime RJJ. What’s the future for both guys? Do you see RJJ bouncing back against the likes of Dawson or anyone else, or like a rematch with Glen Johnson? I read on last week’s ATE about some of your team’s answer that Castillo-Corrales was the greatest fight they’ve ever seen. I somewhat agree, but not quite. I mean, Castillo-Corrales 1 was really, really special and it was a very good but not that great fight, and that was somewhat matched by Vasquez-Marquez III and recently by Diaz-Marquez. IMO, the reason why many boxing experts pick that fight as one of the greatest fight ever was because of not the fight itself, but of the 10th round. The first nine rounds were just a high-level lightweight match. Nothing more. Like I’ve said, it was special, but the whole fight itself cannot even match a portion of the Ali-Frazier III fight. The 10th round, for me, just overshadowed the whole fight itself. What do you think? Thrilla in Manila was the greatest IMO. Hagler-Hearns can be considered also. Imagine how great it would have been if it had managed to get past 3 rounds!

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Viel, I’d be surprised if Roy Jones went after guys like Chad Dawson and Glen Johnson. I just don’t think he has the stamina to fight at that level anymore. Jones will probably fight a few more times, but it’ll be against carefully selected opponents. Next for Vitali? My guess is he fights one of the next two guys in line...either Chris Arreola or Alexander Dimitrenko. When you talk about the greatest fight of all-time, it’s really hard to say for sure which one was the greatest. I still tend to side with the first Ali-Frazier fight.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Klitschko beats Gomez no matter where they were fighting. Hard to say where Roy Jones Jr goes from here. Of course, he would want to win a world title again and get back on top. But it is a risk for him to face any of the title holders at light heavyweight. I’m not sure what he will do. His ego may push him into a fight where he gets knocked out again. All of the fights you mention are great ones. It is an ongoing debate trying to suggest which was truly the best. Yes, Ali-Frazier 3 was special, so was Hagler-Hearns and Corrales-Castillo. It is one of the best things about being a boxer fan that these arguments never end.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Klitschko was just too good for Gomez, Viel. I don’t think it would have mattered if the ring was 50 foot wide that night, he still would have won. As far as Roy Jones Jr is concerned, I think he would find it awfully difficult against Dawson or Johnson but it wouldn’t surprise me if he lobbied for a fight against either one. Isn’t it interesting that he has elected to take perhaps the greatest challenges of his career a few miles past his prime – Tarver, Johnson, Calzaghe etc…The defining and most remembered moments of Corrales vs. Castillo will always reside in that incredible 10th round but, to me personally, that fight as a whole had everything that could fit a greatest fight of all time criteria. Not that I’m arguing too hard against the Thrilla in Manilla or Hagler vs. Hearns – of course they too are more than worthy of that honor.

Name : Gary Young
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
What has happened to Mikkel Kessler? A few years ago he looked set to smash his way into the pound for pound list. I like his aggressive style but haven’t heard much from him lately. I know he was defeated by Joe Calzaghe but I still expected him to try and crack America in the way Carl Froch has given up every advantage to fight Jermain Taylor.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Gary, good observation...Kessler seemed on the verge of stardom before and despite the loss to Calzaghe. The Dane has bounced back, but not a very high-profile fashion. Maybe he’s made enough money at this point and has lost his edge in regards to a desire to showcase his skills in the States.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Kessler’s career went backwards when he turned down a fight on May 24 last year with Edison Miranda in the USA on Showtime. Instead he fought Dimitri Sartison for the vacant WBA title given up by Anthony Mundine. Kessler’s career has gone quiet very quickly since then. He is only 30, but needs to make some aggressive moves to enhance his reputation again.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Kessler needs to make his move shortly, Gary. Last summer he recaptured the WBA world championship he lost to Joe Calzaghe and has since defended the title. I would love to see the big Dane fight the winner of Froch vs. Taylor and, I agree, you have to admire Froch for immediately hopping the pond to defend his title against a formidable opponent.


Name : John Garibaldi
Country : USA
Your Question :
Hey guys, love the website and reading all of your opinions and articles. I’m writing in about the Peter-Chambers fight last Friday night. Can you believe Sam Peter? Coming in at a career high 265lbs off the worst beating and most embarrassing loss of his career? I mean c’mon...it reeks of David Tua. Great puncher, better than average chin, and no commitment to training at all. I was rooting for fast Eddie just because he went to a gym once in the last 12 weeks! How do you guys feel about this? It makes me feel bad I used to be so hard on Riddick Bowe for coming in at 245lbs instead of 240…and he was 6-5 tall!

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: John, it was indeed disappointing to see Peter come into the Chambers fight in such dreadful condition, but let’s face it, we’ve seen this before. What was Tim Witherspoon thinking against James Smith? How many donuts did Kirk Johnson eat before his fight with Vitali Klitschko? You never know what the hell is going through some guys’ minds six weeks before major fights.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: It is just a lack of respect for his career, himself as a professional sportsman and the sport of boxing. What was Peter thinking? But more importantly, what was his team thinking letting him do that? Maybe no one tells Peter what to do except Peter himself. Reason No. 273 why boxing fans have no interest in heavyweight boxing right now.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Peter clearly could have done much, much better with his overall preparation, John. One would think that, after the stuffing he took against Klitschko, he would have reapplied himself and entered the ring against Chambers in great shape and ready to fight. Baffling.

Name : John Fox
Country : Australia
Your Question :
When a fighter makes a decision to retire at the top (Danny Green) do you think a little of the fire leaves them, never to return, regardless of a comeback decision.?

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: John, I think it’s impossible to gauge when the fire officially leaves a fighter whether he’s on top or not, and it’s also hard to gauge whether or not a guy can get the fire back in a comeback/return situation. Sugar Ray Leonard is a great example of a cat with many lives. Despite long layoffs, it was clear Leonard never lost the fire.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: There is a saying in boxing that one you start thinking about retiring, mentally, you are retired. I went and saw Danny Green train last week and he looked good. The proof will be in how he fights on the night and what fights he takes. My biggest concern is that he is 36 years of age. While Bernard Hopkins is a freak to be able to fight so well in his forties, not many boxers at the top level have done great things over the age of 35.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I suppose it depends on the motivation for the comeback, John. I’m sure there are fighters who return because the fire in their belly is perhaps burning hotter than ever. Then, there are boxers who may fight again simply for financial reasons without having the mental desire to get up with the rooster every morning to train and complete a hard, taxing training camp.

Name : Danny Johnson
Country : Australia
Your Question :
I thought Anthony Mundine was going to make the biggest mistake of his life and challenge Felix Sturm for the WBA middleweight title? It would seem not. Perhaps was told by a good source that Sturm can actually fight and made the decision upon being told this to bid an alternative challenge against somebody he perceives to be as easier prey? It would seem that Mundine has chosen Daniel Geale as his easier prey and now, provided the fight actually goes ahead, all I can do is hope to God that Daniel manages to defy the odds and knocks Mundine right out. What an absolute scream that would be? Daniel Geale knocking out Anthony Mundine in what would almost certainly go down as one of the biggest upsets in the history of Australian professional boxing. Mundine’s big mouth would be shut forever and Daniel Geale’s sporting life would never be the same again. He would become a national hero. Having said all this though, I can’t see it happening, but there is at least cause for hope of an upset. While Daniel may not be the biggest puncher out there, we all know that Geale’s timing is immaculate. He is harder to hit than it appears and I strongly suspect that when he does get hit by a good one, a shot that actually hurts him, he will find what he needs to wear the punch, stay on his feet and fight back. Mundine’s chin on the other hand is very suspect. He was knocked out by Sven Ottke and has been put on his behind by a couple unknown never has beens in other fights. Never mind the fact he got up and went on to win those fights, the fact is that you don’t get floored by a club fighter when you are apparently in the class Mundine professes to be in. Can you imagine a prime Muhammad Ali getting put on his behind by a fighter of lets say, Colin Wilson’s ability, no way!. I suspect Mundine will only be around till he gets hit and goes out like a light again and though I don’t think Daniel has the tools to beat Mundine, nevertheless I would still derive great joy and satisfaction, As, I’m sure, the vast majority of Australia would, if Geale smashed him into the middle of next year.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: If Mundine is at his best on May 27, he should be able to beat Daniel Geale. But Geale 21-0 (13), who is currently rated No.9 at middleweight by The Ring, has never lost before and has the chance to take a step up to a new level. Beating Mundine would be the best performance of his career so far, but IBO title-holder Geale does have the ability. Sometimes I get the impression that he doesn’t realise what a talent he is. His timing is impressive and he can hit hard when he lands. He has good skills and his promoter Grange Old School Boxing is flying in sparring partners from overseas for this fight. I have no doubt in saying that this will be Mundine’s toughest fight since his win over Danny Green. Let’s not forget, Mundine turns 34 the week of the fight and Geale is in his prime at 28. If Geale’s fitness can let him keep a fast pace for twelve rounds, the battle of boxing skills will be interesting. I can’t wait to see it.



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