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22 DECEMBER 2014

 

ATE: Super Six Tourney, Cotto-Pacquiao, Mayweather-Marquez, Vitali-Wladimir, Guzman, Sole Boxing Authority and More


Anyone interested in Super Six?: Howard Schatz
Anyone interested in Super Six?: Howard Schatz

In today’s edition of Ask The Editor (ATE), we look more at the new Showtime super middleweight tournament, continue to break down the Miguel Cotto-Manny Pacquiao superfight and take another review of the Floyd Mayweather Jr-Juan Manuel Marquez match. The team pulls out their crystal balls to predict a Klitschko brothers fight, send out the search party for Joan Guzman, explain why there is no single world boxing authority and much more.

Name : Aaron Harris
Country : USA
Your Question :
I still can’t believe this new super middleweight tournament is going ahead. This is what boxing has been crying out for. I really think it is going to be the beginning of something new that will change boxing for the better. Much appreciation to Showtime, the boxers and all those involved in making it happen. If you were able to pick the next weight class for a tournament, which would you choose?

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: I agree with Paul and Jerry, the welterweights would be a cracking division for a super six tournament. Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto and Mosley, what a line up, eh? Not sure the budget could afford that lot, though.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Aaron, you are spot on Man! I’m also really excited about this Super Six tournament. I can’t wait to see Ward vs. Kessler amongst other great match-ups. I vote for a 140-147 tournament next.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Agreed, congratulations on the foresight of Showtime and the promoters. But more importantly, thanks to the boxers for taking the challenge. As for the next tournament, let’s see HBO put one on at welterweight. I’m thinking, Floyd Mayweather Jr, Manny Pacquiao, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Andre Berto and Antonio Margarito. The first fight, Cotto-Pacquiao, has even been made.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Good question. Also, a tough call. I think the welterweight division is filled with candidates to fill the six man tournament with skill and excitement. Cotto, Pacquiao, Mosley, Clottey, Berto, Margarito (if you want to assume he is allowed in), Collazo and Isaac Hlatshwayo, among others.

Name : Nigel Brown
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Andre Dirrell certainly has been shooting his mouth off this week for a lad who hasn’t won anything as yet. Can my man Carl Froch do the business on him and shut this Yank up?

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Of course Froch can win, Nigel. I’m told Dirrell looked very weight drained at the weigh-in and that of course is not good news. I think a strong Dirrell would have been a handful for Froch, but if he is weakened by the weight making, Froch can take him out in the middle rounds.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Nigel, I think Dirrell is the sleeper pick to win the Super Six tournament and will upset Froch.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I certainly think he can, Nigel. Froch’s heavy punching will test Dirrell early. With his home fans backing him, I see Froch retaining his belt in another exciting fight.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: I’m thinking, probably not. I think that he will have a similar situation to the Taylor fight. Taylor lost, Froch did not win. If Taylor had another 14 seconds in his body, he would have won. Sorry, Nigel, but I think Dirrell will pull it off.

Name : Naeem Hussain
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Hey guys, I’m gonna make a few predictions about some of the big fights to come. The first is regarding the inaugural Super Six bouts this weekend. I know this probably won’t be up on the site before the 17th, but I’m writing this on Oct 15th, so here goes. I’m picking Froch to defeat Dirrell, and in similar fashion to his win over Jermain Taylor. Andre will start fast, popping his jab and using his speed. However, I do think he will be a little over-excited and expend a lot of energy. Froch will take whatever Dirrell throws at him, and begin breaking him down around round 6. I see a stoppage victory for Carl around round 10-11. As for Taylor-Abraham, I’m unsure. I don’t know if Arthur will carry his power up, or whether Taylor can maintain the fast pace he’ll need. I think you can dismiss Taylor’s claims that he’s solved his stamina problem; we’ve heard that before. One thing I’m sure of is that he WILL run out of gas late on. Arthur is a tough guy; but I think he may struggle with Taylor’s speed and skills. That said, I’m gonna tentatively pick Abraham to outpoint or maybe even stop Jermain late. My big prediction though is for Pacquiao-Cotto. You have Manny at his absolute peak against Cotto who may be on the slide, if only slightly. The big questions are, can Pac-Man take Cotto’s power, and can Cotto deal with Pacquiao speed and movement? I think Cotto may be troubled by Pac-Man’s power actually, stunned and maybe hurt a few times. Conversely, it’s not crazy to think Manny may be rocked and possibly floored. I do think Manny has a solid chin though; he’s not been hurt in his last several fights (probably ’cos he’s rarely been tagged). I can see Pac-Man outboxing Cotto, darting in and out and using angles to frustrate him, hurting him a few times. Cotto will apply pressure and look to attack Manny’s body, but I can’t see him landing enough to slow him down. I’m going for Pacquiao on points in an exciting, but not scintillating fight.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: We are here to let you have you say Naeem. The best thing about this new Showtime super middleweight tournament is that any boxer can win on the night. I like Froch on points and Abraham by late stoppage. But Dirrell and Taylor certainly have their chances. As for Cotto-Pacquiao, it will be interesting to see if Pacquiao can hurt Cotto early. Cotto boxing conservatively early will make it harder for the Pac-Man. Hatton just left himself open for Pacquiao.

Name : Ranjeev Kumar
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Great work, guys. Love the site, as always. In anticipation of Pacquiao vs. Cotto, what do you think Cotto’s state of mind is generally, given his defeat at the hands of Margarito? He got tagged more than a few times in his last fight. Is he a fighter on the decline? On a related issue, when do you expect a ruling on the Margarito hand-wrap matter, and if Margarito is found guilty, will the relevant governing body annul the result of the Margarito vs. Cotto fight (thereby declaring Cotto still undefeated)? Is there a precedent for this?

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Ranjeev, I don’t think Cotto is necessarily on the decline, but the Puerto Rican is going to have his hands full against Pac-Man. Great questions regarding the Margarito situation and I’m afraid I may need to defer to my fearless SO.com colleagues to comment accurately.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Cotto could rationalise his loss much better after Margarito was exposed against Mosley. Cotto’s mind will be fine. He just needs his body to hold up against the fury of Pacquiao. I think it is a great fight. Best boxer on the night wins. Margarito can re-apply for his licence from the California Commission exactly one year after the fight, January 24, 2010. Only the Commission know whether they will re-instate his licence. But regardless of what Margarito got caught with against Mosley, is there any evidence as to any activity outside the rules in Margarito-Cotto? I haven’t read of any. There is a lot of speculation about what could have happened, but for anyone to go to the New York Commission wanting a change in the Margarito-Cotto official fight result, they are going to need some evidence.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Not sure what any determining body will decide to do about Margarito if he is pronounced guilty, something that i believe he is. I have said in the past that Cotto should be declared unbeaten. I have not seen anything in him that makes me think he is damaged goods. I have talked to him and even his attitude is very positive; I find him bright, even humorous. Decisions have been overturned before, but I can’t recall anyone specifically regaining unbeaten status. Back in the fifties, a fight between Joey Giardello and Billy Graham was first awarded to Giardello then changed to a Graham win. Giardello sued and was finally declared the winner. In the 1960’s, Tony Alongi was awarded a decision over George Chuvalo, who had Tony down a few times. That was changed to a draw. There were others.

Name : Richard Gough
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Hi guys, great site as always. Cotto vs. Pac-Man. I seem to back against Pac-Man a lot in the betting stakes lately, figuring its always one fight and weight division too far, but surely Cotto is just one too far (money already on the underdog Cotto). The guy took dubious punishment from Margarito, and came out of the fight taking a lot of credibility for taking a knee. He didn’t get knocked out. He looked hurt but still had his wits about him to take the knee. People look down their noses at it, but surely anyone watching knew it was the right call (and the wrong one for his corner not throwing in the towel, but save that argument for the past). Look at who he’s been fighting and beating: Sugar Shane, Clottey, Judah, Magic Man etc. So, is my money safe or am I waiting for another fight for Pac-Man to fall? Also, minor point which everyone seems to be skipping over: Yes, Pac-Man vs. Money Mayweather will generate more money, more hype and more fans, but as a fan of the sweetest of all sweet sciences already, I’d rather see Money take on Cotto. Much more than Pac-Man and Money. Also, I think it’d be a better fight and I’d get more rounds for my pay-per-view money. And Cotto would take him deep into the later rounds and dare I say it, maybe catch and hurt Money. Your thoughts on such an outlandish idea?

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Richard, I agree with your first points about Cotto…yes, I give Cotto all the credit in the world for his high-profile victories over the likes of Mosley, Clottey and Judah, and I also agree he did the right thing against Margarito in his decision to fight another day. However, I think Cotto gets licked by Mayweather. He might not get stopped, but I think Mayweather wins a one-sided decision. Mayweather vs. Pac-Man is the better fight.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: It’s a great fight, no doubt about it. Yes, Cotto has a great chance to win. I understand why Pacquiao is a favourite with many people, but I think Cotto is in with a shot. He has skills, is tough and punches hard. Can he take the punishment from Pacquiao’s fast hands? Can he avoid being cut bad? We will see on the night. But I certainly won’t be surprised if Cotto wins. If Manny gets the victory, it is a great win. If Mayweather ends up fighting Cotto or Pacquiao, I’m not going to complain. Just make the best fight.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: I think Cotto will surprise everyone by winning this one. I said surprise, but many who I have asked are, in fact, picking Cotto. Mayweather is still the best, so I see him winning against either Pac-Man or Cotto, but Cotto has good boxing skills that may help him against Mayweather. Must add that there is a ton of talent among these guys.

Name : Jerome Ellis Bernabe
Country : Philippines
Your Question :
I don’t really have much time to follow boxing, but I’m very much intrigued by the P4P debate and the result of the Marquez-Mayweather match. I just want to ask a few questions:
1. How do you think would the fight have played-out if it were a true P4P match between opponents of equal size (i.e. if Marquez had the size to reach and hurt Mayweather, and wasn’t slowed down by the weight, and wasn’t hurt as much by the jabs and pitter-patter combinations that Mayweather threw?)
2. In placing them in the all-time list, should Mayweather be put far-above Marquez based on the result of the real-life fight, or should we also put the mythical P4P/same-size match-up into consideration? (I think it would have been as competitive as the 2nd Pacquiao-Marquez match.)
3. In losing to a bigger P4P opponent, has Marquez forfeited his claim to the No.1 spot? - which used to be between him and Pacquiao but now seems to be a competition amongst Pacquiao, Mayweather, Mosley and Cotto (Cotto has not proven himself in as many weight divisions as the others, but he will inevitably be put-up for contention for the No.1 spot if he beats Pacquiao).
4. Would it be wise for a guy like Edwin Valero, who has P4P potential, to put himself into contention by following Pacquiao and Marquez into challenging welterweights? (He could also try to beat Marquez and Pacquiao, but would that be enough to put him in No.1 if Pacquiao losses to one of the welterweights?)
5. In the same way, what would constitute a similar challenge for Mayweather and Paul Williams?

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Jerome, for someone that doesn’t have that much time to follow boxing, you’re very analytical of the current stars of the sport. I don’t think you can really break down Marquez vs. Mayweather based on what would happen if the two were of equal physical stature. Mayweather is simply the better fighter all around. And I think we’ll have to see how Marquez performs during the rest of his career to compare him in all-time PFP arguments…the perfect example is your point about seeing what will happen to Marquez’ all-time status should he beat Pacquiao in a third fight. I’m not ready to talk about Valero and Williams in P4P discussions until they have a few more high-profile bouts.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: 1. Mayweather stills beats Marquez at a lighter weight class. 2. In all-time pound for pound, you still have to take the result into consideration. Mayweather will always be above Marquez. 3. I have Mayweather No.1 Pound for Pound and Pacquiao at No.2. 4. Valero needs a few big wins before he can be measured up at the top. I’d love to see Pacquiao-Valero at 140lbs. 5. Beating the winner of Cotto-Pacquiao and then beating Mosley would really garner him more credit. Beating Pavlik will be a good start for Williams.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Good questions for a non-fan. 1. Okay, the way I see it, Marquez chose to gain weight and fight Floyd. It should not affect his position in any all time ratings. 2. Not sure how high to rate Marquez. 3. In my opinion, Marquez is a P4P fighter but not No.1. 4. I am not sure if Valero could do what Pac-Man does when he fights bigger men. Pac started something the way George Foreman did, with fighting old. 3. In my opinion, he wasn’t No.1 or No.2 anyway. 5. Floyd vs. Sturm or Pavlik and Williams vs. Hopkins or any light heavy.

Name : Luke Rich
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Hello, I was wondering what your take one a Vitali vs. Wladimir fight would be. Personally, I am always gonna favour Vitali. I don’t think there is a massive difference in skill, both rely heavily on the jab. It would boil down to who has the best chin and that’s easy. Secondly, I have come to the conclusion that the HW division is not as poor as people think. You have two Eastern European monsters dominating, the largest heavyweight champ of all time (Valuev), a loud mouthed cruiser with dynamite hands and dodgy chin (Haye), Povetkin an undefeated Olympian, Eddie Chambers looking good. Throw in the return of Tua an old veteran with perhaps the biggest punchers chance ever! (my personal all time favourite). So in a super 6 format: 1. Vitali or Wladimir (would never really fight), 2. Haye, 3. Valuev, 4. Povetkin, 5.Chambers, 6. Tua (wild card). Surely if promoters got their act together the above is almost ready to produce the script of Rocky!

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Luke, I agree that Vitali would beat Wladimir because I think Vitali is the more durable of the two, but I think Wladimir might have better physical talent. I don’t agree with you regarding the heavyweight division however…the big boys of the sport don’t intrigue me too much these days.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I’m taking Vitali over Wladimir. Relatively even, accept for the chins and Vitali is prepared to take a risk to win. If you can get them all fighting each other, the best against the best, things never seem so bad. The problem is that these boxers and their promoters in the past have been reluctant to make the fights without getting all of the advantages. It makes me want to give another round of thanks to Showtime and the super six at super middleweight. Well done!

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: In a purely mythical fight between the Klitschko brothers, I find it hard to pick a winner. I think that Vitali is the better boxer but Wlad has that huge powerful jab that hides his even bigger right that KO’s his opponents. I think Vitali’s skills would make it hard for Wlad to get away with his little jab/right trick. As who would win your super six including the Klitschko fight, I pick Vitali. Dark horse is Chambers.

Name : Ben Hall
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Whatever happened to Joan Guzman? It wasn’t too many years ago that fight fans’ mouths were watering at the prospect of future fights involving him vs. Juan Diaz, Pacquiao, Katsidis and others.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Ben, that’s a good question, and I agree that Guzman was a hot property for a while there, but I think the over-the-weight fiasco before his highly anticipated non fight against Nate Campbell really soured people on the Dominican star. Even though he’s still undefeated and fighting Ali Funeka for the vacant IBF 135 lbs title next month, the stigma associated with the Campbell bout lingers.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Guzman last fought on December 20. He will face Ali Funeka for the vacant IBF lightweight world title on November 28 in Quebec, Canada.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Not too sure, but I have seen him working his talented brother’s corner. Jose Guzman can move, punch and box. Joan may be helping little brother get going. Jose was recently beaten for the first time. I have also heard that he has had some contract problems.

Name : Joel Norman
Country : Australia
Your Question :
Hello Gentlemen, great job. I know I am an idiot, but can someone please explain to me why boxing doesn’t have one controlling governing body that has the right to do what is in the best interest of boxing. One set of rules, set divisions, world wide, like any other competitive sporting establishment?

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Joel, that’s an age-old question that will continue to be talked about for many years to come. For better or worse, boxing is regulated on the state level and I don’t think it will ever change.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: the simple answer is - greed. No one is prepared to compromise their own position for the benefit of the sport. It is not a sport now. Boxing is a business. A united force would give boxing much needed traction when it came to securing sponsors and television exposure. It won’t ever happen.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: This is something that has been talked about for decades. One reason that it hasn’t happened is sanctioning fees. If a promoter can call it a title fight it means more money for everyone concerned.

Name : Tim Young
Country : Australia
Your Question :
Kali Meehan? Paul Upham would probably be best informed to answer this question, what is Kali Meehan doing? I first heard of him way back in 1998 when he shocked James Grima. He then cleaned up in Australia, had a disastrous night against Danny Williams, then got back on track and gave Lamon Brewster fits. Hasim Rahman gave him another bad night and in the last five years he’s only had six fights, including a huge win over DaVarryl Williamson. Surely that should have put him back in the mix. Is he being badly managed, lost ambition, or just not an attractive opponent? Approaching 40, he surely needs to make a move now. I don’t think he can win a world title, but he can still get paid well fighting those who think they can. Oh, just one more dig at the Yanks. For 50 years they cried out for a great white hope. Quarry, Bobick, Morrison, and Mesi all fell short. Hey, now it seems anyone will do. Only in America.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Meehan was robbed against Brewster. He should have been WBO champion that night in Las Vegas. Kali is promoted by Don King and has been waiting for a shot at the WBA world title. He was the No.1 contender there for a while, but has now been shuffled down. Kali was meant to fight on the Valuev-Chagaev rematch card that was cancelled. While he is under contract to Don, he just has to wait until a fight is made for him.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Every time Meehan has tried to step up he has lost. He beat only Williamson who is fast fading. He lost to Brewster, Rahman, and Williams in step up tries. As far as white hopes are, we are not living in the Jack Johnson era. We Americans were quite happy with Ali, Holmes, Frazier, Foreman, Lewis, Tyson, Douglas, Spinks, and other non-white champions. As far as those white failures, Quarry was no failure, Mesi was injured and is still unbeaten, Morrison was a success and got sick, and Bobick, well, he was a great amateur.

Name : Paul White
Country : Australia
Your Question :
Paul Upham, I have tried my hardest to be a Anthony Mundine fan, but the truth is, it`s just not going to happen. How can we take him seriously when he has just announced his latest opponent - Alejandro Gustavo Falliga? And even MORE ridiculous is how did this bout get sanctioned? Is he defending the IBO title he won from Geale? Also, when is something going to be done about the lack of quality judges and refs in this country. There have been plenty of disgraceful hometown decisions lately (Billy Dib vs. The South African Zolani Marali was the worst) and I feel we are getting worse that Germany (don’t mention the war). Love your site by the way. Cheers.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I don’t believe that the Mundine-Falliga fight is for the IBO belt. Mundine has to fight Geale again by the end of February 2010 or he will be stripped of his title. It would have been better to have seen the Mundine-Geale rematch now, but they have decided instead to take tune-ups first. Make what you will of that. In the end, you can only judge a boxer by the fights he makes and takes. I agree with you, there has been some simply atrocious judging in fights in Australia over the last decade. We have some very good judges, but the state commissions have to weed out those who are simply not up to standard. I have raised this with those in authority on a few occasions. Those who have watched my commentary on Fox Sports and Main Event will have noted some occasions where I have expressed sheer amazement at some of the scorecards handed in.


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