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09 FEBRUARY 2010





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Can Pacquiao Eclipse Ray Robinson?


Mon 16-Nov-2009 16:30


By Derek Bonnett:

 

 About a year ago, I grossly offended Manny Pacquiao.

In lieu of applauding his bravery for taking on the much larger Oscar De La Hoya, I questioned the validity of the bout and painted the fight as more of business proposal to ensure an economic surplus for both men. Even when Manny decimated "The Golden Boy", I attributed Oscar’s bewilderment and Nacho Beristain’s silence to part of the script in building Pac-Man toward showdowns with Ricky Hatton and the inevitably come-backing Floyd Mayweather Jr.

I was feeling pretty smart right about this time.

Then the Filipino phenomenon dispatched Hatton with impeccable ease. Finally, I was starting to believe. In spite of having watched Pacquiao dispatch my idol Marco Antonio Barrera and other contemporary legends like Erik Morales, I just didn’t expect him to get this far. I could always find a way for the "next guy" to beat him.

No more.

I’m just going to come out and say it. I’ve said it before in various boxing blogs and have been accused of drinking too much of the Pacquiao Kool-Aid, but now I am formally putting it down in writing. Manny Pacquiao, as we all know, is a surefire hall of famer. Not only that, but he is an all-time great after winning titles from flyweight to welterweight. The next statement may shock some, but he is also in the realm of surpassing Sugar Ray Robinson as the greatest fighter of all-time.

Now, I know that Robinson is the consensus holder of this title and has been for some time since he ended a career with scintillating victories over the likes of Sammy Angott, Fritzie Zivic, Jake Lamotta, Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Randy Turpin, Rocky Graziano, Gene Fullmer, Carmen Basilio, etc. However, one must question how much nostalgia goes into cementing fighters of yesteryear as the pre-eminent pugilists of a certain weight class, era, or for all time.

Examine Pac-Man’s record. After defeating pretty good fighters like Chatchai Sasakul, Lehlohonolo Ledwaba, and Jorge Elicier Julio, the man who debuted at 106 pounds evolved into a pound for pound great by earning victories over Marco Antonio Barrera (twice), Erik Morales (twice), Oscar Larios, Juan Manuel Marquez, David Diaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton, and Miguel Cotto. With the exception of his pound for pound contemporary Marquez, he stopped them all.

I’m not trying to dismiss anything Robinson achieved and readily admit he fought way before my time, making it impossible for me to have witnessed his rise to prominence. Perhaps I’m more impressed with the live action I have witnessed within the twenty some odd years I’ve followed professional boxing, but I can readily say that Manny Pacquiao is the greatest fighter of my time. This includes Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Julio Cesar Chavez, and Ricardo Lopez. Pacquiao’s speed, power, skill, and willingness to fight the best across the board puts him above all of these other icons. Why? Because he repeatedly displayed all of these with dominant performances over the best fighters in each division he climbed into.

I can’t pick against Manny Pacquiao. He’s the best fighter in the world today and, perhaps, the best ever. Should a bout with Floyd Mayweather Jr. come off as most boxing fans expect, I’ll be favoring Pacquiao in that one as well. While Mayweather Jr. and Cotto are very different fighters, the ease in which Pac-Man dismissed the Puerto Rican sensation was incredible. He took the best punches Cotto had to offer, dropped him twice, and busted his face up worse than Antonio Margarito, who some believe had illegal substances in his gloves when they fought.

It makes you wonder.

Regardless of how you feel on the all-time great debate, whoever your man is at the top, Manny Pacquiao is quickly closing the gap.




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Jones Junior
razr89
razr89: Jones was undoubtedly very, very good at his best but it's at times like that in a career that a boxer has to step up and face the best and he just didn't do that. Similar to what Floyd is doing now. If he doesn't fight Pacman then he has no right in the list of all time greats.

some doubts I have
universal_soul
universal_soul: 1-st doubt here is that he still missess win over someone like Floyd, or even Shane. Of course beating Floyd at 147 (and 147 IS 147, not 145!), his legitimate weight would be the ultimate prove of his supremacy. Beating Cotto - as great as it is - with all due respect, was beating someone who was coming of a crushing loss and a guy who wobbles pretty easily. (question here: is Cotto a damage goods after his defeat at hands of Margarito? This questions was asked by many boxing writers, but now when I believe the answer happened to be yes, they keep quiet)I have no idea what taking these additional 2 pounds of was for, as it's only amunition for some critique (why was it so important? What did it do to Cotto? what would be the difference if not for losing this mere 2 pounds?) etc etc.
Pacman is at the top now, but the only way to erase all douts (sometimes not so irrational as some think) is beating Floyd. Unbeaten (unlike Cotto), quick guy (unlike Cotto), who can take a good punch (unlike Cotto) and has a size advantage (unlike Cotto - don't know when this missinformation about size came from - it's an inch in height and same reach!)

More at 147
DBO
DBO: Yeah, Jsant, I would have to agree with that sentiment. PBF is the apex and SSM, Clottey, and even Berto speak more to welterweight dominance. I've never been a fan of title grabbing.

quality
jsant09
jsant09: He would beat Spinks for sure. But I'd value more a win over Shane/Floyd/and maybe even Clottey than going to 154 and fighting Spinks.

Mayweather win
DBO
DBO: Yeah, that PBF win would cement it for me. I think he's in contention without it though. What about a win over Spinks at 154 or Sylvester at 160? Could you guys see that as possible if Manny went title/division crazy instead of big fight crazy?

garry jones
Bareth
Bareth: beat mayweather and im with the author, should he fail, he's still at least up there with henry armstrong...

Jones Jr.
DBO
DBO: Yes, he's a name people will consider a contemporary great, but I think Jones' stock in the long term will suffer because the quality of opposition he faced wasn't the best. He certainly didn't meet the type of guys as Pac and PBF as often.

roy jones jr.
sugar
sugar: what about roy jones.... he was more superior in his prime then pac man and mayweather are together! why isn't he one of the greatest???!

Manny Power
razr89
razr89: To be honest I am starting to feel the same way about Manny Pacquiao. Infact I picked against the Phillipino whirlwind but what a foolish decision that was. Of all the fighters I have seen fight, Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, DLH, Felix Trinidad, Mosley, Marquez, Barrera, Morales and even Mayweather, in my eyes Pacquiao is simply the best.





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