ATE: Urango-Bailey, Floyd’s Greatness, Cotto & Marquez, Scoring Texas, Roy Down-Under, Instant Replay and More

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In today’s edition of Ask The Editor (ATE), we review the Juan Urango-Randall Bailey battle on SecondsOutTV, attempt to calculate Floyd Mayweather’s greatness and decide who has the toughest fight next out of Floyd and Pac-Man. The team scores the judging in Texas, Roy Jones Jr makes the jump to Australia, we consider the merits of instant replay during fights and much more.

Name : Simon Marks
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
I really enjoyed the Juan Urango-Randall Bailey fight live on SecondsOutTV. Some great action both ways. Urango was just too tough in the end. Looking back, he really didn’t do that bad against Ricky Hatton. Where does he go from here?

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Simon, Urango has some good fights ahead of him. I see Urango going in with Tim Bradley or Devon Alexander in a unification bout. I think the junior welterweight division needs these fights.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Simon, I’d like to see Urango fight Paulie Malignaggi next, who was a tough luck loser to Juan Diaz and deserves another shot to regain the IBF 140lbs belt he once held.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I wasn’t sure Urango was going to get up off the canvas when Bailey hit him with one of his thunderbolts. Good exciting fight. I’d like to see Juan in against Juan Diaz or Amir Khan next.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Anytime a come forward fighter like Urango faces a raw banger like Bailey, fireworks are pretty much guaranteed and that’s what happened last week. The Colombian did extremely well to get off the canvas and, when Bailey was unable to put him away in that 6th round, the writing was on the wall. Urango will always struggle against a fighter who possesses good technique, but he’s exciting to watch. He’d most likely lose to a Timothy Bradley or a Paul Malignaggi but I’d like to see him fight a Juan Diaz or Nate Campbell in his next defense.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: With a good performance like the one he just had, and all the talent kicking around at 140lbs, there are just too many directions to go. He can get in line for the Cotto-Pacquiao winner, there is Juan Diaz, Paulie Malignaggi, and others, even a rematch with Hatton. I see a great future for him.

Name : Naeem Hussain
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Hey guys, hope you’re all well. I wanna know your opinions on Floyd Mayweather’s greatness. You probably get countless emails and letters on this subject, but I wanted to give my two cents. Mayweather’s skills cannot be doubted, nor can his achievements in moving up several weight classes to capture world titles. Not many fighters have done that or are capable of it. What I have a problem with is his exasperating attitude (shared by many fighters these days) regarding taking risky fights. I’m tired of seeing people refuse to make fights because the money wasn’t right or they didn’t wanna give up the larger share. I wish more boxers would fight for the honour, the glory and the respect. I wish they could see that turning down a fight that could prove your greatness just because you’re getting 5 million and not 8 million is pathetic. Despite his talent, we still don’t know how great Floyd is, because he hasn’t been through that baptism of fire in the ring. He hasn’t found that one guy who can really test him. Or maybe he’s avoided him. Ali had Frazier (and arguably, Ken Norton), Ray Robinson was tested by Jake LaMotta, and they’re undisputedly two of the greatest of all time. If I had Mayweather’s skills, I would fight anybody. I would be certain that I could beat any fighter I faced, and I would be desperate to prove it. The way I see it, if Money doesn’t fight Pac-Man, Mosley or even Cotto, he’s wasted his talent. And there will always be a question mark over his true greatness.

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: I hear you Naeem. In an ideal world the best would fight the best but I have said many times, all sport nowadays, especially is a business. And Floyd like most fighters will take fights with the least amount of risk for the maximum financial return. That’s what business is about as I’m sure you are aware. You’re right, it would be great to see the best fight the best for the honour, as you put it but ‘fighting for the honour’ does not always put food on the table. Also, a boxer’s career is a very short and dedicated one so they have to make sure they make as much money as they can. Let’s also not forget all the behind the scenes politics as well. It’s easy for us to say who should fight who but the reality is somewhat different I’m afraid.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Naeem, you’re right, Mayweather needs to fight the Pac-Man vs. Cotto winner or Mosley, should Shane beat Joshua Clottey. It would be great to see Mayweather really pushed. I wish De La Hoya has pressed him more. I think Jose Luis Castillo beat Mayweather in their first fight, so to me, Floyd should indeed be fighting everyone out there to prove his greatness.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Despite his talent, we still don’t know how great Floyd is, because he hasn’t been through that baptism of fire in the ring. Should a boxer be penalised in our estimation because they are simply better than anyone else. This may have applied to Roy Jones Jr in his prime, but there were some obvious fights he did not take which are now held against him. You can’t say Mayweather has ducked every tough fight so far. If he beats Marquez, let’s see Floyd step forward and take the winner of Pacquiao-Cotto.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I really don’t think that Mayweather’s talent can be argued. The man can box and, as he showed against Ricky Hatton in his last fight, he can mix it up on the inside when he needs to. I give him credit for fighting someone of Marquez’ stature in his return to the ring and I think he will be tested. He doesn’t have many fights left, one would imagine, before he hangs up his gloves for good and he should keep one eye on furthering his legacy by competing against the very best from now on. Juan Manuel Marquez is a good start.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Hi Naeem, good to hear from again. I agree that Floyd is a great talent, and that in past decades fighters fought for less money and were more concerned with legacy and proving how great they were. When Robinson lost to LaMotta his rematch took place 21 days later with another fight squeezed in between! Things like that just doesn’t happen any more. Too much money, taxes, and health issues that were not considered back then. I think that ultimately these fights will happen. Floyd will face Pac-Man, and/or Cotto, Mosley, and others. You are right, he is too great to waste.

Name : Dennis Butwell
Country : Australia
Your Question :
Hi guys, great site by the way. My question is - since Pacquiao and Mayweather have both beaten De La Hoya, who do you think did a better job? I think Mayweather did since he went up to 154lbs and he only weighed 150. Pac-Man beat a very drained and weak DLH and was nothing like himself. Everybody praises Pac-Man on the one sided beating, but I hardly hear anything about Floyd’s win. Also if Mayweather-Pacquiao ever happens who wins?

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: I agree Dennis. Mayweather I feel is hugely underrated and does not deserve some of the stick he gets about not fighting who the fans want him to fight. I also think his win over Oscar was more impressive than Pacquiao’s, mainly for the reason you stated.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Dennis, there’s no doubt that Mayweather fought a more prepared and still-not-yet-faded De La Hoya than the version of the Golden Boy we saw against Pacquiao. That being said, I think Mayweather could have stepped it up and tried to beat Oscar in more spectacular fashion. Pacquiao went for it while Mayweather fought his usual defensive-first fight…leading to a bout with few significant exchanges.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: De La Hoya had more life against Mayweather. Oscar’s light weight tactics against Pacquiao was sheer madness. He needed to come in strong. For Mayweather-Pacquiao, I want to see their next fights before making my pick. On paper it is a great fight.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: That’s a tough call but I can see your point, Dennis. Pacquiao mauled a severely unprepared De La Hoya while Mayweather narrowly beat a healthy and focused version of the Golden Boy. That’s not to say that Mayweather is any better than Pacquiao as a fighter, he just beat a better De La Hoya.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: I do actually agree with your take on the two De La Hoya fights. Oscar was finished and drained by the time he entered the ring against Pac-Man making Floyd’s win a better one. I thought Oscar did very well against Mayweather. He fought him the way you need to fight Floyd, pressure. I have said before that I lean towards the boxer so I think Floyd wins a struggle of a fight by decision over Manny.

Name : Aaron Jackson
Country : USA
Your Question :
I see Sugar Ray Leonard has weighed in already talking up a Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather Jr fight. Are we all writing off Miguel Cotto and Juan Manuel Marquez that quickly? Who do you think has the hardest fight up next? Mayweather or Pacquiao?

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Good question, Aaron. At a push, I’d say Pacquiao has the harder fight. I believe Cotto vs. Pacquiao is being made at 144lbs, though, I’m not 100% on this to be honest, but if it’s true it will be the third fight in a row that Pacquiao has fought a fighter battling the scales. Cotto has not weighed under 146lbs since he out-pointed Paulie Malignaggi in June 2006. I know its only three pounds off the welterweight limit, but it could make all the difference.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Aaron, even though Mayweather is the bigger guy against Marquez, I think fighting Marquez after two years away is a tougher test for Floyd then Pacquiao has against Cotto.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Now, that’s a great question. I can see merit both ways. If Cotto was able to weigh-in at 147lbs, I would say Pacquiao had the tougher fight. But since that is not the case, I’m going to give Mayweather credit for coming back first up against Marquez. Floyd gets the nod in this one.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: People do seem to be writing off Cotto and Marquez, Aaron. I think that is foolish but I don’t think that Mayweather or Pacquiao have fallen into that trap and that’s all that matters really.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: I am not writing off Cotto. In fact I am not 100% sure he will lose. I still think Pacquiao will win but I am not making a choice yet. I am convinced that as tough as Marquez has proven to be, I think he will find that Mayweather will be very hard to handle. Floyd’s speed will undo Marquez’ attack. I think that answers your question.

Name : Keith Reynolds
Country : Hong Kong
Your Question :
Thomas Hauser was exactly spot on with his comment about the Paulie Malignaggi-Juan Diaz fight in Texas. How can any boxer go into Texas against Diaz now and expect to win a decision. And why is this sort of scoring controversy being allowed! The Americans are the first to complain about a scoring robbery in Germany or some other country, but they allow this sort of thing to happen in their own backyard. Double standards I say!

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: It is double standards, Keith and it’s not right if you look at some other controversial and close results over the last few years, the home town fighter invariably gets the nod. It’s not right and next time Diaz fights in Texas the entire boxing world will be keeping a close eye on the events.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Keith, it may not be fair, but any time a boxer goes into the other guy’s town, it’s a little tougher to win on points. It’s always been that way and it’ll never change. Malignaggi’s style doesn’t help him on the road. When Juan Manuel Marquez went into Houston to fight Diaz, he did what he need to do…win by KO!

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Well said! Most people can handle a close score a point each way, but 8 points difference in a fight like that is scandalous. Boxing is only hurting itself by allowing incompetent judges to continue.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: When I heard Gale Van Hoy’s 118-110 score, I just shook my head and typed it onto the end of my fight report. In my opinion, it was a curious interpretation of what had happened over 36 minutes of action in the ring that night. Now, I’m not saying that an argument cannot be made for Diaz winning. I personally scored it 115-113 for Malignaggi but it was certainly a closely fought contest.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Your question was a good one until you used the word "allowed"winners of such decisions. These are young men in a very tough business/sport and they must be treated in a fair and equitable fashion. Whether this was a case of the officials protecting their hometown hero, or incompetent judges, it must be addressed. There is no double standard here.
Name : Billy Alexander
Country : USA
Your Question :
It seems Roy Jones Junior really is going to Australia to fight Danny Green. I’d rather he rematch Bernard Hopkins, but that ego-match is never going to be made. I’m shocked that Roy would fight outside of the USA. Has he sunk that far now?

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: I’d like to see Jones vs. Hopkins 2 as well, Billy. I do hope it can happen, though, I’m not holding my breath. As I said in another question, boxing is a business and if Roy can earn more money in Australia than in the U.S against Danny Green, good luck to him. And Danny for that matter.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Billy, my sources tell me Jones-Green was already in the works long before Jones dispatched of Jeff Lacy. Jones is a business man...the rematch with Hopkins is going to be a very difficult negotiation and may not ever get done, so Roy takes a trip to Australia; probably wins and in the process, erases the stigma of never fighting outside the States as a pro. Then maybe, hopefully, we’ll start to hear some buzz about Jones-Hopkins II.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Roy is coming to Australia for a US$4 million pay cheque and a fight against a boxer he thinks he can beat handily. Sounds like a good business decision. I believe the Jones-Green fight will be officially announced within one week.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I wouldn’t be surprised if Jones and Hopkins ended their careers with a rematch against each other next year, Billy. As for Jones traveling to Oz for a fight with Danny Green – from what I gather, he’ll get a terrific pay packet for fighting a guy he should beat. At this stage of his career, that’s alright.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Billy, I see you have been watching Roy’s career. Yes he doesn’t like to go into the other guy’s backyard (who does?), but with his new situation as an older fighter looking for the big opportunity, he is wise enough to know that he must change his attitude. I think everyone wants to see a Jones-Hopkins II. They are so old that with time running out, my personal adage of "everything happens in boxing," may not work in this situation with time so short and egos so tall.

Name : Darren Lever
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
It was sad to see Clinton Woods to go out like that against Cloud. What does the team see as his best career win?

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: I’d have to say the third Glen Johnson in Bolton in September 2006. I know he was on home soil, but he was the away fighter and after drawing and losing twice before, I think edging out a very tough and determined Johnson via split decision was a great performance.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Darren, it’s gotta be Woods’ title-winning TKO win over Rico Hoye in 2004, because the victory in the third fight with Glen Johnson doesn’t count in my opinion.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I agree with Clive, the third fight with Johnson, still a very damn good fighter then, was Woods’ best win.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I actually thought that Woods fought pretty well last week, Darren. He held his own throughout the first half of the contest but Cloud just proved too good and established some distance in the scoring down the stretch. I think Woods’ best win was probably his title defense against Glen Johnson in England a few years ago.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Well Darren, it is always painful to see a fighter go out like the champion that Clinton Woods is, losing to a young lion like Cloud of the next generation, but I don’t know what his team thinks which his biggest win was. I think his victory over Glen Johnson in an IBF title defense was probably his biggest win.

Name : Eric Lavoie
Country : Canada
Your Question :
I was wondering what your thoughts were about allowing referees/judges/commissioners to have access to instant replays during boxing events. I’ve read that some athletic commissions want it in USA. According to me (and it can sound conservative), I just cannot see how this could bring any good. The pace/momentum/stamina is too important in the outcome of a fight to allow someone outside the ring to pause it. If it could be done during the one-minute break between rounds, I could agree, but I simply don’t see it possible. I’m tending to dislike more than like what boxing is becoming these days (and I am (was) a huge fan).

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: No, I’m not a fan of instant replays, never have been. The way I see it, if the referee and judges have only real time to make a judgement then so be it. You can’t keep stopping the action to play back replays. However, video evidence should be used for appeal purposes if say a result is challenged.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Eric, the only time I see instant replay being helpful in boxing would be to determine if a cut that caused a controversial stoppage was caused by a punch or head butt.

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Greg has it correct. We can’t be stopping the fight every couple of minutes.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I’m with you – I like the instant replay concept to determine the reason that a cut has formed in between rounds. It should be limited to that.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Please don’t leave us Eric! Stay the course. I think you are on the right track, but if we can find a way to use the instant replay so that it does not screw things up I think it should be used. When they changed the Bradley-Campbell result later on after viewing the tapes and plainly saw the unintentional butt that was a good use of the instant replay. That is only one use and it wasn’t actually instant, regardless, the concept of reviewing tape, worked.

Name : Manny Ortiz
Country : USA
Your Question :
What is happening with boxing? I think I have heard it all now. Tomasz Adamek versus Andrew Golota? What is up with that fight. Is it true? If it is happening on October 24, all I can say to Tomasz is, get an iron cup.

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Yes, it’s true and yes it is the biggest fight in Polish boxing history. And yes, I expect it will be the best pay day of Adamek’s career.

GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Manny, yup…it looks like the Adamek-Golota is actually happening on Oct. 24 in Poland. Sounds like nothing more than two guys cashing in on a freaky fight…next!

PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Anything is possible in boxing. Haven’t you heard? I hear Tony Tubbs, who is on a five fight winning streak, could be rolled into the ring for a rematch with Brian Nielsen...Well, so I have heard on the rumour mill.

MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: The Foul Pole returns. Adamek makes his heavyweight debut against his countryman and the fight should garner quite some interest among Polish Americans. All I can say is that this could get messy.

JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: I don’t know if he will really need the extra help down there, but I do agree that Andrew is a head case who has trouble winning (not winning the fight, just accepting success) and finds a way to screw things up. In his most recent fights I noticed that he struggled with fighting the urge to foul and managed not to. It is an interesting match-up. Adamek is young and strong, but small, and Golota is old, 41, strong, and big. Sounds like an even match (LOL). I think size will not matter, Adamek will embarrass Golota. Maybe even stop him. As to why this fight, money.

Name : Nick Borg
Country : USA
Your Question :
There used to be an old Boxing gym located in New York on 2nd avenue between 7th and 8th streets back in the 1950’s. Do you remember the name of that gym? I don’t know anyone anymore that knows the name. Can you help?

CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Jerry, can you please help on this one?


JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: The only ones I can think of are Stillman’s and Gramercy Gyms. Gramercy was on 14th street and Stillman’s moved around a little. I don’t like being wrong on boxing history, but I have a bad feeling on this one because I am not 100% sure, sorry Nick. Good question though.
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