ATE: Pacquiao-Mayweather, Cotto Stoppage, Green-Jones Jr, All-Time Heavyweight Top Ten and More
In today’s edition of Ask The Editor (ATE), we delve into the Manny Pacquiao-Floyd Mayweather no-fight controversy, talk more about the Pac-Man knockout of Cotto and consider Andre Ward’s chances in the Super Six tournament. The fall-out from Roy Jones Jr’s 1st round knockout loss to Danny Green is reviewed, including the impact on Roy’s legacy, we contemplate an all-time heavyweight top ten and much more.
Name : Jack Kelly
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
What are your thoughts and who do you side with in this whole Pacquiao/Mayweather drug-testing situation? I’m really torn on it... I can see both sides of the argument. My gut feeling is that the Mayweather camp is being underhanded and making clear to everyone just how much they doubt Pacquiao’s meteoric rise through the weights has been done naturally. I understand HGH is not detectable in urine tests, so this is why I suspect Mayweather wants blood tests, as HGH is more likely to be used than steroids in this day & age... Part of me thinks Pacquiao should just take the tests if he has nothing to hide, but I remember the Hatton/Pacquiao percentage split negotiations and I feel this has become about ego as much as anything and who gets the final say...
What are you thoughts? Is Mayweather just looking for an excuse to duck this fight or is Pacquiao hiding something from us all??
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Hi Jack. As far as the bloods tests go, Pacquiao has always agreed to have three blood tests, one when the fight is announced, one 30 days before the fight and one immediately afterwards so I don’t see the problem. If there is any wrong doing by any athlete surely any positive test would show up then wouldn’t it? I also find it difficult to understand why all of a sudden the Nevada State Athletic Commission’s drug testing policy is not good enough? Having said all of the above I’m no expert on performance enhancing drugs.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Jack, I think it comes down to Team Pacquiao being concerned about uncharacteristically supplying blood samples while preparing for a fight. The less times any person has to get pricked by a needle the better, especially an athlete in training. If it’s never been part of his routine and no other fighters are required to do so, why should Pacquiao suddenly have to conform to unusual requests by the Mayweather camp?
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Jack, you sum up the main points well. Greg makes a great point too. Maybe Pacquiao could agree to all of Mayweather’s demands, but why should he have to just because Mayweather says so? At this level, it is about ego more than anything else. A fighter doesn’t want to give anything away to his opponent. Of course, Pacquiao looks bad for not agreeing to the tests. Team Mayweather knew this beforehand. Pacquiao’s final offer was three tests with one 21 days before the fight. That is good enough for me and it should be good enough for Mayweather. In my opinion, this makes Mayweather look like he was looking for a way out of the fight.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I don’t understand what Pacquiao’s problem is here. I know that Freddie Roach said that blood work drains the fighter for a period of time but how bad can it be? Obviously the same rules would apply to Mayweather. I don’t believe for a second that Pacquiao has anything to hide and it is unfortunate if any questions now arise.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Jack you have asked THE question that is on everyone’s mind concerning this mega-fight. I can’t say anything either way because I have no proof of anything, but it is surprising to see formerly top rated fighters getting crushed, not just beaten, crushed by an opponent who is moving up in weight. On the other hand, I believe that Team Pacquiao is made up of honorable people. Top Rank has had its problems but they have been operating in what looks to me to be above board for years; Freddy Roach is, in my view, Mr. Clean; Pac-Man gives me the impression that he would rather lose than cheat, so I too am in the horns of a dilemma. A while back I interviewed Nate Campbell, who I informed was being accused of juicing by his opponent at that time who I had interviewed. Nate gave me the correct answer. He said I’ll take any test they want, as long as he does the same. ’Nuf said.
Name : Brian LaPlante
Country : USA
Your Question :
When Floyd made his comeback he said that he was gonna clean out the division. What division was he talking about? The lightweight division. Shane called him out after the Marquez fight and he declined. He hasn’t talked about a Cotto fight ever, and is being greedy on a Pacquiao fight. He said he fought Marquez cause he called him out, well so didn’t Shane. Floyd fighting Marquez is like Lennox coming back and fighting Chad Dawson. Another thing, Floyd said that Manny has never publicly stated that he wanted to fight him but it’s not Manny’s style to call out anyone. He didn’t even call out Cotto. What do you guys think of all this?
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Good point, Brian. The problem is as we all know boxing is a business and unfortunately Floyd, like many other high profile fighters, will take the easiest fight for the most amount of money. Of course, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao is worth a fortune, but I also suspect it’s about egos and wanting control of the negotiations. For what its worth, I make Floyd the favourite.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Brian, I think Mayweather is only going to target whoever he’s comfortable with taking on and for the most money, while keeping his ego stroked at all times.
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: In the majority, big time boxing is most money for least amount of risk. Mayweather should be fighting Pacquiao. I think he looks bad for bringing in demands that seem to have cancelled the fight. Pacquiao took a fight with Cotto. Mayweather never would in the past. Mayweather never took a fight with Margarito. Cotto and Mosley did. Since he hit the big time, Pacquiao seems to have consistently taken the toughest fights out there. Great future Hall of Fame record no doubt, but I am not sure Floyd has done the same all the time.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Mosley did call him out – a year or so after he complained of a sore tooth when the question of a possible Mayweather vs. Mosley fight first arose. I think Mosley presents a more difficult challenge to Mayweather than Pacquiao does and, if the March 13 super fight does indeed fall through, I think a Mosley fight is a must for Mayweather.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: I agree, Brian, that he came back against a smaller man, but keep in mind that it was his first fight after an extended layoff. It appears that he will be fighting the man of the hour Pac-Man next (I believe it has to happen), so that will make up for much of what you are rightfully saying. When Ali came back from that forced layoff it is true that he fought the sitting No.1 contender, Jerry Quarry, followed by the new sitting top contender, Oscar Bonavena, stopping both before losing to Frazier, and now we see Floyd taking on what appears to be a weak opponent. Fact is, Marquez is no soft touch for anybody. Not so long ago he drew with Manny, so be patient.
Name : Nick Wyatt
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Hi guys, just wanted to get opinions on a couple of things from the Pacquiao-Cotto card. Firstly, I felt Kenny Bayless’s decision to stop the fight in the twelfth was somewhat strange. It just didn’t look like Cotto was in that much trouble, particularly when you look at the fact that the ref didn’t stop the contest in the 8th or 9th when he was in real bother. If the ref was going to stop up surely it should have been done in the 8th or 9th? Secondly, Saturday was the first time I’ve ever seen Yuri Foreman, although I have read a lot on your site. I have to say I was greatly impressed but do you feel that Santos is now a shot fighter and that this made Foreman look better than he is?
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Hi Nick. I disagree with you here. Cotto took a lot of punishment in the eighth and ninth rounds, far too much if anything I thought he should have stopped the fight earlier. Secondly, I do like Yuri Foreman but also thought Daniel Santos was a little past his best.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Nick, Cotto took a steady beating from the fourth round on versus Pacquiao. I didn’t have a problem with Bayless’s stoppage, but you’re right, it could have been waved off earlier. I think Yuri Foreman has decent skills and beat a good experienced champion in Santos, who may have slipped a little, but isn’t shot. It was a nice victory for the transplanted New York Foreman.
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: No problem here with Referee Bayless’ stoppage. Cotto was only going to get hurt more. He was given every chance to make a comeback during the fight. Yuri Foreman did look good, but I think Santos’ consistent long breaks from boxing eventually caught up with him.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I think the fight should have been stopped a few rounds earlier also, Nick but I don’t have a problem with Bayless calling it in the final round. Cotto was brave but he took a thumping and I’m glad it was stopped. As for Foreman…he’s a fine boxer, but I think he may struggle when he fights A-list 154lbers. He has very little pop and Martinez, Williams, Angulo and Cintron will be difficult for him to overcome.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: I have no idea why the referee chose that belated moment to end a lost cause for gallant Cotto, but you are very correct when you say that he should have done the deed in round eight or nine. As for Yuri (translates to George in English) Foreman; he is a slick boxing master with little punch. He is a talented fighter who can be a star if handled correctly. He did beat a fighter, Santos, who is a bit long in the tooth but he was a champion and has a history of winning titles, so Yuri did good against a live opponent.
Name : Martin Jacobs
Country : USA
Your Question :
Editors, do you agree with me? Floyd Mayweather can beat Manny P. with controlled aggression in this fight. And you know styles make fights. Looking at the Leonard-Duran II; Camacho-Mancini; Camacho-Pazienza, Pazienza-Haugen III, Ali-Spinks II fights, even Malignaggi’s recent win over Diaz in a rematch, all these champs frustrated their opponents because they changed their style for a particular fight and that’s just what Floyd needs to do. If Floyd stays off the ropes, stays on his toes and circles the ring, right and left, feinting while flicking out the jab, in and out, using some double jabs, throwing combinations, and clinch Manny when he lunges in, it will be total frustration for Pacquiao. Floyd MUST disrupt Manny’s rhythm. Then when the opportunity serves itself, Floyd will make him pay dearly with counters that will be accurate and highly effective - particularly in the form of a straight right that will travel so fast Manny will not see them coming. Whether Manny comes out with blazing guns or not, it should not make any difference. The fans might boo because they want an all-out war, but Floyd must be the more intelligent fighter and use discression when engaging. He has more boxing skills than Manny and should dominate this fight. Also, Floyd must get off first, and last and finish each round with a flurry.
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Martin, I do think Floyd can beat Manny Pacquiao, yes. Styles do make fights and Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto were made for him. All three stood right in front of him whereas Floyd would of boxed on the outside created angles and scored more with the jab. I’m not even sure it would be a great fight either as Floyd would probably adopt a safety first fight.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Martin, of course Mayweather can win the fight, and so can Pacquiao. That’s what makes this fight so highly anticipated. You’re spot on…whichever guy’s style prevails, wins! Looks like you’re favoring “Money.”
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: You won’t see me writing Floyd off. His defence is superb. The question will be, can Manny catch and hurt him and how does Floyd handle that? That’s why we want the fight to happen, so we can experience the outcome ourselves.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: I agree with you, Martin. Pacquiao performed really well against De La Hoya, Hatton and Cotto, but Mayweather is a completely different story. The American is just as fast, he is ridiculously hard to hit and he is a masterfully accurate and effective puncher. I would pick Mayweather to win on points. Too bad they have thrown their pacifiers out of their respective prams and have decided not to fight this March.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Interesting take, but I don’t agree. To win, Floyd must be Floyd. His style is cut from the same mould as Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Holmes, and Jones Jr. I recall Angelo Dundee explaining why he thought a young Ali was so much better than the other heavyweights. He said that Ali’s rhythm was something that others fighters were unable to cope with. That’s why I pick Mayweather to beat Pac-Man. FYI, I have seen over the years a few incidences where fighters won by shocking their foes with a new look. After crushing Carmen Basilio in their first fight by being his usual brawling self, Gene Fullmer startled Basilio by boxing much more in the rematch. Dancing master Ralph Dupas turned brawler to win his rubber match at the top of the lightweight division over Kenny Lane. Both fights took place back in 1960. So it has happened, but it won’t be that way this time.
Name : Barnaby Chesterman
Country : Italy
Your Question :
The American media is blindly biased at the best of times, but given recent results does anyone else think there’s a danger of Andre Ward being hyped to the stars now? What with two of the three American boxers in the Super Six losing and Roy Jones Jr being given further proof that he’s not the same boxer now he’s lost his blistering speed, and with Pacquiao overshadowing Mayweather, I envisage Ward being hyped by the American press as the greatest thing since sliced bread. I think Ward boxed well against Kessler but it seemed to me more that the Dane got his tactics wrong than anything else. Ward is quick and awkward but Kessler just failed to put much pressure on him. Quite the contrary to Abraham’s performance against Taylor, a similar fight in that Taylor was quicker but Abraham stronger. The German simply soaked up some ineffective punches into his guard for two minutes a round and then attacked in the final minute. Kessler seemed rusty and largely bundled forward aimlessly. Ward never hurt him (at least not with a punch). I think Ward did well but he’ll need to keep winning in this tournament to prove himself truly world class. But now I expect most Americans will list him as the favourite. My money is on Abraham personally.
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Barnaby, I may be a bit biased here but I’ve long been a fan of Mikkel Kessler and believed he was the No.1 super-middleweight. Andre Ward beat Kessler, he did the job so let’s give him credit for beating a very good fighter? The tournament is wide open now. I’m looking forward to the next round.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Barnaby, I tend to agree with you that Abraham should probably be the favorite at this point to win the Super Six…the guy is tough as nails, but you can’t blame Americans for getting excited about Ward. The victory over Kessler was clearly his most significant and unexpected win to date and reason to spur high hopes.
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Yes, Andre Ward fought really well against Mikkel Kessler. But Arthur Abraham is seriously underrated by a lot of people. Abraham is a clear favourite to win the Super Six now and is in my current pound for pound top ten. 1. Manny Pacquiao, 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr, 3. Bernard Hopkins, 4. Shane Mosley, 5. Juan Manuel Marquez, 6. Paul Williams, 7. Arthur Abraham, 8. Ivan Calderon, 9. Celestino Caballero, 10. Chad Dawson.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: My money is also firmly on Abraham for this tournament. Yes, Ward fought well but the referee did an already flat Kessler no favors.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: I too lean towards Abraham (today), but I think you are misreading us Yanks by saying we blindly follow any path that is American led. I was surprised to see Kessler look so ineffectual against Ward, but Ward won more that Kessler lost, keep that in mind please. Give this young man his due. A brilliant win and performance. When the Super Six was first announced, I said that Andre would win the tourney. When asked which Andre, I said I didn’t know, but Arthur did look impregnable, but then so did Sonny Liston until he met Ali.
Name : Ben Nielson
Country : Australia
Your Question :
Is RJJ serious? In today’s Sydney press (18th Dec) I am reading some wild stories about illegal gauze, used gloves and a hit to the back of the head? Maybe Paul Upham has heard the dark whispers going around Sydney, but it goes along the lines of a 100K bet waged on RJJ to lose by 1st round KO at 88-1. Judging by the one punch (to the temple and not the back of the head) and the pathetic effort by RJJ (but not taking away from Green), which wild story is closer to the truth? Hmmm..... Green-Hopkins? It could be a better fight and money earner than people think. The whole of the country got behind the Green-RJJ fight. The difference is then Hopkins isn’t (quite) used goods. A possibly great fight with a great card. Green-Hopkins main event, Darchinyan-Donaire semi main, Daniel Geale-quality TBA for the vacant IBO middleweight title....makes one mouth water. What does ATE think?
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: I think Paul best answer this one.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Ben, no point in commenting on the first topic…rubbish. I like a Green-Hopkins fight too, but you’re right, it needs to take place in Australia supported by a strong undercard, because Hopkins doesn’t draw well in the States unless his opponent is super high-profile. Problem is, I doubt Bernard is willing to make the trip down under.
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I met with Roy Jones Jr on six occasions before his fight with Green. I interviewed him one on one at Foxtel’s studios for 40 minutes for TV as well. No way ever would Roy have taken a dive. Roy has a huge ego and tremendous pride in his career. He is so embarrassed by the defeat that he is now trying to come up with excuses why he lost to Danny Green. Roy can’t take a punch now and should not be fighting anymore. It was a legal punch from Green thrown by legal hands. I’d love to see Hopkins-Green, but I’m not sure a win for Hopkins does much for his career record, except a pay day he likes. I can only imagine that Hopkins would come to Australia to fight if it was for more money that he can currently make in the USA. Like Roy Jones Jr did.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Jones is probably a little embarrassed by his performance in the contest and is crying foul. He should have beaten Green – I still think he’s the better fighter – but he got hit by a good shot and couldn’t defend himself. Green vs. Hopkins, with that undercard, would be a fantastic event in Oz but they argued over money and will more than likely not meet in the ring.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: No doubt Roy is over staying his welcome. He was a great one, but time to stop. I am sure money is not an issue for him (never know though). Green looks very good, very strong, but Hopkins has a way of handling guys without his level of skill, but at his age there will come a fight that he will finally turn 44 in for real; when even skill fails an old fighter. We’ll see. As for how Green won, he won and RJJ lost badly.
Name : Dennis Butwell
Country : Australia
Your Question :
Hi guys! Since Danny Green ko’d Jones Jr in the 1st round and Hopkins beat Ornelas on points, do you think they will end up fighting each other next? If so what will be the outcome? I have to say Green has a very good chance to be the 1st to stop Hopkins but Hopkins is a master boxer so it should be good.
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: I believe Hopkins and Green are in negotiations. I like Danny Green but even at 44 years old my money’s on Bernard.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Dennis, Green-Hopkins is a good match-up…doubt it will ever happen though. It’s not a big fight enough fight to make in the States and Hopkins is going to take his show on the road.
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Hopkins and Green seem to have stalled on the money deal. Green says that had a deal, then Hopkins changed his mind and asked for more money. The door is still open. I suspect Hopkins would only take the fight with Green if he can’t get a better financial deal in any other match. Even at 44, Hopkins is still an elite boxer. Tough fight for Green, but if he can land like he did on Roy, a knockout win is possible. The difference is Jones Jr stood right in front of Danny, whereas Hopkins still uses constant side to side movement.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Hopkins would defeat Green pretty easily in my opinion. He’s just better…but he won’t fight Green.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: With Hopkins, just follow the money. If enough is waved under his nose he will do it. Who wins? That will depend on Green’s skills and what is left in B-Hop’s tank.
Name : Stephen Casey
Country : Australia
Your Question :
What do you think Danny Green should do now? That was an unbelievable night. The pub where I watched it sang the national anthem before the fight started and went crazy when Green won. It must have been very intimidating for Jones to have to be in that atmosphere and listen to thousands sing ’Down Under’. He would not be used to that and looked very uncomfortable. Hopkins has already said he doesn’t want the fight. Green doesn’t want Dawson and why should he? Dawson won’t fight a young Tavoris Cloud but will fight old Tarver and Johnson twice. They are talking about him fighting Holyfield. I hope this doesn’t happen.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Stephen, I’m not sure what Green does now. It must be frustrating to beat a big name like Roy Jones, but not have a big name opponent to follow up with next. Unfortunately, the victory over Jones might not ever parlay into other significant fights. Green might only be remembered as the guy that retired Roy Jones.
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Boxing in Australia is hot, hot, hot right now. I love the idea of Green-Hopkins. Not sure if happens though. In pure boxing terms, Green should fight Chad Dawson or Tomasz Adamek. But hand it to Danny, as his own promoter, he always seems to be able to make the right fight at the right time. I await his next move with great anticipation.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Green needs to not rest on his laurels lest he be accused of being a one trick pony; that is an old man beater. He needs to follow up with a Dawson, or equivalent. Blowing out a Jones that we all know is not the same guy who dominated the sport in the 90’s is good, but he needs to follow up.
Name : Wayne Lord
Country : Canada
Your Question :
After Super Roy beat Ruiz I had him in the top 5 P4P all time and climbing. At that time, he was on the verge of fighting some of the smaller heavyweights and the sky seemed the limit. But the same ego that drove him to be super, forced him to lose his carefully built muscle mass and come back down to meet Tarver. He looked weak, slow and drained but I felt he eked out a close win. Fool the ego once but not twice. The same thing happened to Chris Bird when he dropped back to light heavy. Tarver, who I felt RJJ would have eaten alive if not for the weight issue and who downplayed RJJ’s alibi, ironically lost to B-Hop in a similar way. Of course, by not retiring he is destroying his legacy. 1. Do you agree and 2. Where would he have been rated all-time P4P If he had retired after beating Ruiz? One final question. Sources say Manny retires win or lose and enters politics full time. I think he can do more for his country by boxing than politics. Agree or disagree? I am a huge fan of you guys and look forward to your response. Thanks
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Hello Wayne. I totally agree. Roy has damaged his legacy by fighting on far too long. It’s one thing going up in weight but coming back down again in weight again is quite another. Roy was ‘Super’ when out-pointing John Ruiz at 193lbs, but struggled badly when he went back down in weight to 175lbs and lost to Antonio Tarver. Must admit I was very surprised Roy thought he could move back down so quick and be the same fighter.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Wayne, you would have to rate Jones Jr. in the top-ten all-time right after the Ruiz victory and maybe even to this day because as boxing fans, we all can see Roy is continuing to fight out of boredom at this point. Ray Robinson didn’t destroy his legacy by not retiring. People just came to accept that they weren’t watching the real Sugar Ray towards the end and we’re not seeing the real “Superman” Jones Jr. anymore either. Pacquiao is only 31…politics can wait a few more years!
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: If Roy retires after beating Ruiz, people would argue he was one of the top five best of all time. Now, critics are revising their position and questioning the quality of boxers he fought in his prime. As for Pacquiao, he seems to want to get into politics, but I am not sure the Filipino people will vote for him at the moment. They want him in the ring fighting and kicking the boxing world’s ass!
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Wayne, I think Roy Jones should have remained at heavyweight and defended his title a couple of times before heading off into the sunset. He’s still an all-time great fighter but the shine has been taken off a little. As for Pacquiao, by all accounts, he has a big career in public service ahead of him back home – he just needs to fight Mayweather beforehand.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Thanks Wayne, I have been saying exactly what you are saying for a long time. I even spoke to Roy and asked him if he felt that he beat Ruiz with muscle or skill and he said skill. That is true, so who needed the muscle? He needed to copy the “Old Mongoose”, Archie Moore, who fought and beat top heavies while holding the light heavyweight title. Look at photos of Archie against Marciano, Patterson, and even at the end of his career against a young Ali, Moore was fat. He fought fat against almost as many heavies as he did trim against light-heavies after winning the 175 pound title. He needed the extra weight to compete and not be shoved around the ring but he never added muscle so he only had to lose fat which we all know can be harmlessly lost. Archie won with skill. As to Jones’ legacy, many greats did damage to theirs, look at both Sugar Rays, they did great things at their peak and that is what we remember best. That’s what we should do with Roy, remember him when, not at 40.
Name : Lawrence Mills
Country : United Kingdom
Your Question :
Just wanted to get your opinions on the Vitali vs. Johnson. More specifically how you rated the performance and how you feel, based on that showing Vitali would fare against David Haye. Before that fight, I gave Haye a punchers’ chance at best against VK, and thought he would we be much better served going for little brother (who I also thought would beat him). Maybe I have been hitting the mulled wine and egg nog a bit too hard this festive season but to me, Vitali looked slow and ponderous. He also seemed to be blowing from about the fifth round and at the end of the fight looked knackered. Is Vitali Klitschko there to be toppled? If so, could Haye be the man to do it? Or am I buying into the hype?
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: I think that’s a fair comment regarding Vitali, Lawrence. Let’s not forget the Johnson fight was Vitali’s third fight of 2009 and at 38 he could well be slowing down. David Haye may well have a puncher’s chance, especially if he lands the same punch he caught Nikolay Valuev with the 12th round. I really don’t want to put a dampener on Haye’s win over Valuev, but let’s be honest, it was one of the worst heavyweight title fights I’ve ever seen and Valuev was a very poor champion, who up until then had enjoyed a few hometown decisions, Larry Donald and Evander Holyfield for example.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Lawrence, when hasn’t Vitali looked slow and ponderous? Bring on Haye…time to get the Klitschkos outta there!
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I give Haye an excellent chance of beating Wladimir Klitschko if he can reach his chin. Vitali takes a better punch and is harder to get too with those long arms and height. I don’t think there is anyone out there now to beat Vitali.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Make your check payable to The Hype Corporation of Britain/Cyprus, Lawrence. Johnson was able to put pressure on Klitschko early but I thought he handled it extremely well and I really don’t see Haye toppling the big man (or his little brother).
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Cheers Lawrence! Not sure when Vitali will finally slow down enough to be finished but he seems to do enough to win. I think this awkward giant has an uncanny ability to stay out of harms way, but can Haye do it? Tough call. Haye is good but now is the time to really start seeing what he can do against the big boys.
Name : Nick D’Cruz
Country : Australia
Your Question :
Guys, first things first, great website. But Clive, I gotta disagree with the last ATE where you were saying that De La Hoya, Cotto and Hatton all left something in the gym against Pacquiao due to weight. You can make this argument against De La Hoya, and to a lesser extent against Cotto, but Hatton was boxing at his favoured weight, a weight he was unbeaten at and held The Ring belt at, and the only weight he had looked comfortable at in recent times. I think that argument is a bit thin even with Cotto. Yes he was fighting at a weight he hadn’t fought at in 3 years, but it wasn’t far from it - he hadn’t fought more than 2lbs heavier in that time. I know you’re a fan of Pac’s, and have given him his due, but even alluding to suggestions like this tend to water down his success.
CLIVE BERNATH ANSWERS: Hi Nick. We all have our opinions and I respect yours, but also stand by mine. Sooner or later Ricky’s yo yo dieting was gonna catch up with him and I think he reached the end of the line the night he faced Pacquiao. All the really great fighters maintain a certain weight and fitness level even when they are not in serious training. So when a fight does come up the fitness level is already there, meaning the body does not have to work as hard to reach peak fitness and the correct weight. I just think that Ricky found making 140lbs far more difficult than usual.
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Nick, whether De La Hoya, Cotto or Hatton left anything in the gym, it wouldn’t have mattered. Pacquiao fights at a pace right now that no one can match. He’s combination of punch volume and punch pop is too much for anybody at the moment.
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Let’s not forget how big a favourite Oscar was going into the fight with Pac-Man. All three were great wins. Let’s give extra credit to Pacquiao for taking the risk and making the fights. All praise to Pacquiao as far as I am concerned.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: Pacquiao’s victory over Cotto completely validated the other two, Nick. The way he handled the Puerto Rican was a sight to behold and, for me, it erased any lingering questions about his victories over a “drained” De La Hoya or a “shot” Hatton.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Go for it Clive. As for me, I don’t know how much was left in the gym, but they were all crushed in the ring, that is for sure.
Name : Paul White
Country : Australia
Your Question :
Hello again Paul and gang. This time I would like to talk about my hero, Mike Tyson. But where could I possibly start? I was a 12 year old kid when I first saw Mike in an interview on NBC. I couldn’t wait to go to school the next day to tell my mates that I had just seen the biggest superstar in boxing, no, in SPORTS! He was 18 but a superstar in the making. He smashed everybody in front of him, (Jerry, how could you possibly call a 20 year old Mike a four round fighter?) There are so many phases to his career but I swear I believe a young Mike is in the all time Top Five heavies. Here is my all-time Top Ten:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Larry Holmes
3. Mike Tyson
4. Joe Frazier
5. George Foreman
6. Rocky Marciano
7. Joe Louis
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jacko Johnson
GREG JUCKETT ANSWERS: Paul, there’s no question that the young Mike Tyson (circa 1985-’87) was truly special. It’s so hard to compare eras, but your list is excellent. I would probably flip flop Frazier and Foreman based on Foreman’s head-to-head success versus Smokin’ Joe.
PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: I’m with you Paul. Tyson from 1986 up until his 1st round knockout of Michael Spinks was incredible. The only problem was he didn’t have the longevity to keep it going. That counts when assessing the all-time greats. Along with his out of the ring problems, the end of Tyson’s best came when trainer Kevin Rooney was fired and “Iron Mike” got away from the technique which made him special. It wasn’t just about punching power. Tyson’s technique found him the openings which led to many of his knockout wins.
MICHAEL NORBY ANSWERS: No sign of Lennox Lewis in your top ten, Paul? Good grief. That aside, for what Tyson did for the sport of boxing in terms of excitement and popularity, he deserves to be on any list.
JERRY GLICK ANSWERS: Sorry if I offended you Paul, but if you watch any, and I mean any, of his fight that went longer than four rounds take careful notice of the difference in Tyson’s attack after four rounds. He starts out as ferocious as any fighter ever did, but if he couldn’t blow them away, he became quite ordinary, walking after his foes with hands in the peek-a-boo defense (think Floyd Patterson, Jose Torres and manager/trainer Cus D’Amato) and lived on intimidation for the rest of the fight. That is exactly how Douglas beat him. Watch, for instance, his fight against James “Quick” Tillis. If Tillis had anyone else in front of him from the fifth on, he would have boxed their ears off if they did as little as Tyson did. As to your top ten, I would rate Johnson number one or two with Ali. Louis 3rd, Holmes 4th, Jeffries 5th, but while I think Tyson was an all time great, I am not sure yet if I could rate him in my top ten. Maybe, but I am still considering his accomplishments.
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